We've already been over this. Israel needs to dump Muslims somewhere. That's going to be countries where it has influence. Solution? Deny it any.
Then, there's the more generalized concerns about corruption and malfeasance that arise from foreign lobbyists power and influence. In other words, immigration is but one case where doing what Israel needs hurts us.
You do know that EU political classes hate Israel, right?
That EU political class that criminalizes Holobunga denial and bans pro-Palestinian protests is really sticking it to Israel. 🙄
We've already been over this. Israel needs to dump Muslims somewhere.
I know this is the weird thing that you believe, but it's not happening. It's not like Azerbaijan that can just ethnically cleanse without anyone saying anything.
And if they're going to be 'dumped', they'll be dumped in Jordan, Syria or Egypt, not Europe.
Then, there's the more generalized concerns about corruption and malfeasance that arise from foreign lobbyists power and influence.
That is a more generic complaint about lobbies, of which there are many. That is not a reason to oppose the existence of the state of Israel.
By the way, what will happen if Israel is destroyed? All those Jews you love will become your neighbors.
That EU political class that criminalizes Holobunga denial and bans pro-Palestinian protests is really sticking it to Israel. 🙄
Link doesn't work for me, but I think I know what you're talking about. And yes, they would not even suspend 'aid' for Gaza after October 7. So I'm still paying for Hamas salaries.
The funny thing is, this is probably an infinitely larger part of the EU budget than is Israel aid for the American budget, but I hear no end of complaints about the latter.
It's not like Azerbaijan that can just ethnically cleanse without anyone saying anything.
It's what they want. It will be a test of their influence and power both in terms of politics and military.
And if they're going to be 'dumped', they'll be dumped in Jordan, Syria or Egypt, not Europe.
Israel doesn't wield nearly as much influence over those countries so I wouldn't be so sure. Our DHS Secretary is a Jew who was on the board of HIAS. You've seen Biden's overall immigration policy at work. We even have """right-wingers""" like Breitbart editor Joel Pollak shilling for it. It's not looking good. It has "GOP throws the fight" written all over it, but an even more pozzed country might eat that grenade instead.
Israel wanted Hamas to be funded, remember? The aid going into there is only needed because of Israel in the first place. This is just them dumping the burden of taking care of those people (and funding Hamas, assuming they are indeed getting that money) onto us.
ETA: Israel wouldn't exist without said lobby. Not every country is like that.
It's what they want. It will be a test of their influence and power both in terms of politics and military.
If you analyze Israeli politics the way you do American politics, that is, look at the preferences of parties with actual power: the large corporations, media, the security services, then that is most certainly not what they want. In fact, the security services sabotaged an attempted Netanyahu/Barak attack on Iran three separate times.
Israel doesn't wield nearly as much influence over those countries so I wouldn't be so sure.
Well, you don't need 'influence', but you have a point here for different reasons. Armenia didn't accept the Armenians from Karabach because Azerbaijan has 'influence', but because otherwise they'd be murdered. Israel isn't going to threaten to murder millions of people, and even if it did, the Muslim countries wouldn't care - they'd love how it would make Israel look bad.
We even have """right-wingers""" like Breitbart editor Joel Pollak shilling for it.
Shilling for what exactly?
Israel wanted Hamas to be funded, remember?
Not sure what specifically you are referring to, but I think Israel collected taxes for the Hamas 'government'. So yeah, they've been pretty stupid.
The aid going into there is only needed because of Israel in the first place.
Why is there 'aid' going to Gaza to begin with? The pro-Israeli members of the EU (Hungary) attempted to suspend it, but the others prevented that. I don't think it was Israel doing that.
This is just them dumping the burden of taking care of those people (and funding Hamas, assuming they are indeed getting that money) onto us.
Just hypothetically, if you're completely wrong about Israel planning to dump Muslims in Europe, would that mean that you don't have to be anti-zionist to be anti-establishment?
We've discussed Israel's propping up of Hamas many times. Stop feigning ignorance.
Why wouldn't their be aid going to Gaza? The West dumps aid on all kinds of people who need it and many who don't. A lot more Gazans would be dying without it. The West is propping up Israel and paying the bill for the humanitarian crisis it creates. 🤡
The pro-Israeli members of the EU
That's all of them. They just don't have the ties to Israel's bad optics, lunatic fringe like Hungary does.
You will still end up having to oppose Zionism, but it wouldn't be as glaringly obvious. Zionists continuously drag us into an interventionalist foreign policy.
We've already been over this. Israel needs to dump Muslims somewhere. That's going to be countries where it has influence. Solution? Deny it any.
Then, there's the more generalized concerns about corruption and malfeasance that arise from foreign lobbyists power and influence. In other words, immigration is but one case where doing what Israel needs hurts us.
That EU political class that criminalizes Holobunga denial and bans pro-Palestinian protests is really sticking it to Israel. 🙄
I know this is the weird thing that you believe, but it's not happening. It's not like Azerbaijan that can just ethnically cleanse without anyone saying anything.
And if they're going to be 'dumped', they'll be dumped in Jordan, Syria or Egypt, not Europe.
That is a more generic complaint about lobbies, of which there are many. That is not a reason to oppose the existence of the state of Israel.
By the way, what will happen if Israel is destroyed? All those Jews you love will become your neighbors.
Link doesn't work for me, but I think I know what you're talking about. And yes, they would not even suspend 'aid' for Gaza after October 7. So I'm still paying for Hamas salaries.
The funny thing is, this is probably an infinitely larger part of the EU budget than is Israel aid for the American budget, but I hear no end of complaints about the latter.
It's what they want. It will be a test of their influence and power both in terms of politics and military.
Israel doesn't wield nearly as much influence over those countries so I wouldn't be so sure. Our DHS Secretary is a Jew who was on the board of HIAS. You've seen Biden's overall immigration policy at work. We even have """right-wingers""" like Breitbart editor Joel Pollak shilling for it. It's not looking good. It has "GOP throws the fight" written all over it, but an even more pozzed country might eat that grenade instead.
Israel wanted Hamas to be funded, remember? The aid going into there is only needed because of Israel in the first place. This is just them dumping the burden of taking care of those people (and funding Hamas, assuming they are indeed getting that money) onto us.
ETA: Israel wouldn't exist without said lobby. Not every country is like that.
If you analyze Israeli politics the way you do American politics, that is, look at the preferences of parties with actual power: the large corporations, media, the security services, then that is most certainly not what they want. In fact, the security services sabotaged an attempted Netanyahu/Barak attack on Iran three separate times.
Well, you don't need 'influence', but you have a point here for different reasons. Armenia didn't accept the Armenians from Karabach because Azerbaijan has 'influence', but because otherwise they'd be murdered. Israel isn't going to threaten to murder millions of people, and even if it did, the Muslim countries wouldn't care - they'd love how it would make Israel look bad.
Shilling for what exactly?
Not sure what specifically you are referring to, but I think Israel collected taxes for the Hamas 'government'. So yeah, they've been pretty stupid.
Why is there 'aid' going to Gaza to begin with? The pro-Israeli members of the EU (Hungary) attempted to suspend it, but the others prevented that. I don't think it was Israel doing that.
Just hypothetically, if you're completely wrong about Israel planning to dump Muslims in Europe, would that mean that you don't have to be anti-zionist to be anti-establishment?
Israel has been actively attacking Iran. I don't know why they would stop a particular operation.
Here is what ole' Joel has been up to:
https://nitter.net/joelpollak/status/1712981078066213017 https://archive.ph/LSYiT
We've discussed Israel's propping up of Hamas many times. Stop feigning ignorance.
Why wouldn't their be aid going to Gaza? The West dumps aid on all kinds of people who need it and many who don't. A lot more Gazans would be dying without it. The West is propping up Israel and paying the bill for the humanitarian crisis it creates. 🤡
That's all of them. They just don't have the ties to Israel's bad optics, lunatic fringe like Hungary does.
You will still end up having to oppose Zionism, but it wouldn't be as glaringly obvious. Zionists continuously drag us into an interventionalist foreign policy.