14 hour days. 1 and a half hour break total, during said day. Sometimes we don't get the full break. Sometimes we go longer than 14 hours. Sometimes we also have to "work" weekends. We have to pay to be here.
Mostly manual labour (tending to the fields, cooking from raw ingredients we dug out of the ground/harvested, cleaning of buildings), with some weird indoctrination shit thrown in to cover the "course" content...
But it's largely hard labour. And endless "meetings". And struggle sessions three times weekly, which can range from "privilege" to the most warped interpretation of "consent" that I have ever personally experienced...
Starting manual labour at 7AM (you're not allowed to eat before the manual labour is done. Or have coffee), and then frequently finishing scheduled "trainings" after 10PM is...
Entirely unsustainable. And yet the people running this thing apparently only sleep 5-6 hours themselves (they don't do the manual labour, I should add), so they think that is "normal" and "good"...
Shit's fucked.
One of our "instructors" got lime disease, recently, so she was away for three weeks...
Because that's what happens in places like this, when you don't/can't take care of yourself and your own health...
Mostly manual labour (tending to the fields, cooking from raw ingredients we dug out of the ground/harvested, cleaning of buildings),
I'd almost think it's a Cistercian monastery.
And struggle sessions three times weekly, which can range from "privilege" to the most warped interpretation of "consent" that I have ever personally experienced...
I can't imagine how you have tolerated that. My big mouth would never have let me get away from that unscathed. Or do you think that they would be a physical threat to you?
Or, at the very least, that they would attempt to take my possessions away, with little recourse (no locked doors, no easy way to leave, remote area, no personal cars allowed, etc.).
Thus, each time I leave the site, I take anything that is remotely valuable (I wasn't stupid enough to bring actual valuables, but you get what I mean) with me, because I absolutely do not trust that it will be there when I get back...
They've already vaguely threatened me a couple of times, including for "washing on the wrong day", despite the fact that literally no one else was using the laundry, it was at a time of day when no one had a "booking", and it didn't interfere with anyone at all. Despite that, it warranted a threat...
Or the time I flatly refused to clean (vaccuum, dust and mop) an empty, already clean, unused room, that no one had been in for a week. Apparently it was about "the principle" and obeying orders. But I refused. That went down as well as you can imagine, haha...
So sort of like a monastery, yes. Or the military, but I paid to come here, so...
That's a frightening suggestion. So it's a proper cult then.
Or, at the very least, that they would attempt to take my possessions away, with little recourse (no locked doors, no easy way to leave, remote area, no personal cars allowed, etc.).
I assume that if they start thieving things, they'll get themselves into more trouble. The strategy of a lot of malefactors is to appear as menacing as they possibly can, while never actually doing anything illegal. If you imagine that they'd kill you or steal your stuff, well, that's your problem.
Or the time I flatly refused to clean (vaccuum, dust and mop) an empty, already clean, unused room, that no one had been in for a week. Apparently it was about "the principle" and obeying orders. But I refused. That went down as well as you can imagine, haha...
The principle is that you have to lick the boot.
So sort of like a monastery, yes. Or the military, but I paid to come here, so...
Except that instead of providing a useful service and building character, it's just pure crazy. It's honestly hard to believe that this sort of thing is happening in our Europe. Perhaps the reason that there are very few Swedish people is because they recruit people who are not rooted in the society, and who thus are not as able to defend themselves in the context of that country.
I'd definitely contact the police about this once you're leaving.
Essentially it was a "Black-led" cult that somehow infiltrated the Minneapolis whole foods movement during the 70s, and reached the peak of its power in the 80s. The article is largely written about one of the "escapees" from the place, who raised awareness of it...
Basically a cult of PMCs, where actions, behaviour, thoughts, lifestyles, relationships and work where all tightly controlled by the anonymous group leaders. It used many of the same tactics "my" current cult does, and it couched it in a similar veil of "self-improvement" and "leadership"...
The same struggle sessions. The same "uncovering biases" training. And it is literally the group which developed the so-called "privilege walk", which I was also made to do here, early on...
Also weirdly the same obsession with whole grain baking, so that's a weirdly consistent thing with all of these cults (I've visited three other "intentional communities", while here. They've all been cult-like, and they've all had "whole grain bakeries)...
However that one was in a city, and was definitely more... Nefarious and anonymous. This one is not (anonymous). I know who the leaders are. I know who my direct "supervisor", if you will, is. But it is also quite underground, and extremely dishonest about its intentions and on the ground realities...
No way am I staying here for as long as that woman stayed there, in order to write a book, though. I'll find other ways to expose them.
Basically a cult of PMCs, where actions, behaviour, thoughts, lifestyles, relationships and work where all tightly controlled by the anonymous group leaders. It used many of the same tactics "my" current cult does, and it couched it in a similar veil of "self-improvement" and "leadership"...
You really should watch out for both those terms. For one, self-improvement suggests that the people you're trusting are not only good, but that they can teach others how to be good/better. That's almost never the case. And leadership, what is that? Telling others what to do? In this case, being a cult leader.
Just like with making money courses: you don't make money by teaching others how to make money, but by fooling suckers into thinking that you do.
Also weirdly the same obsession with whole grain baking, so that's a weirdly consistent thing with all of these cults (I've visited three other "intentional communities", while here. They've all been cult-like, and they've all had "whole grain bakeries)...
Eh, being pro-whole grain is normal in Europe.
No way am I staying here for as long as that woman stayed there, in order to write a book, though. I'll find other ways to expose them.
Yeah, because even if you did write a book, it probably wouldn't sell. There goes more into that than just having agood sotry.
What do you do in those 14 hours?
Mostly manual labour (tending to the fields, cooking from raw ingredients we dug out of the ground/harvested, cleaning of buildings), with some weird indoctrination shit thrown in to cover the "course" content...
But it's largely hard labour. And endless "meetings". And struggle sessions three times weekly, which can range from "privilege" to the most warped interpretation of "consent" that I have ever personally experienced...
Starting manual labour at 7AM (you're not allowed to eat before the manual labour is done. Or have coffee), and then frequently finishing scheduled "trainings" after 10PM is...
Entirely unsustainable. And yet the people running this thing apparently only sleep 5-6 hours themselves (they don't do the manual labour, I should add), so they think that is "normal" and "good"...
Shit's fucked.
One of our "instructors" got lime disease, recently, so she was away for three weeks...
Because that's what happens in places like this, when you don't/can't take care of yourself and your own health...
I'd almost think it's a Cistercian monastery.
I can't imagine how you have tolerated that. My big mouth would never have let me get away from that unscathed. Or do you think that they would be a physical threat to you?
On the latter question, very possibly yes...
Or, at the very least, that they would attempt to take my possessions away, with little recourse (no locked doors, no easy way to leave, remote area, no personal cars allowed, etc.).
Thus, each time I leave the site, I take anything that is remotely valuable (I wasn't stupid enough to bring actual valuables, but you get what I mean) with me, because I absolutely do not trust that it will be there when I get back...
They've already vaguely threatened me a couple of times, including for "washing on the wrong day", despite the fact that literally no one else was using the laundry, it was at a time of day when no one had a "booking", and it didn't interfere with anyone at all. Despite that, it warranted a threat...
Or the time I flatly refused to clean (vaccuum, dust and mop) an empty, already clean, unused room, that no one had been in for a week. Apparently it was about "the principle" and obeying orders. But I refused. That went down as well as you can imagine, haha...
So sort of like a monastery, yes. Or the military, but I paid to come here, so...
It's a mess.
That's a frightening suggestion. So it's a proper cult then.
I assume that if they start thieving things, they'll get themselves into more trouble. The strategy of a lot of malefactors is to appear as menacing as they possibly can, while never actually doing anything illegal. If you imagine that they'd kill you or steal your stuff, well, that's your problem.
The principle is that you have to lick the boot.
Except that instead of providing a useful service and building character, it's just pure crazy. It's honestly hard to believe that this sort of thing is happening in our Europe. Perhaps the reason that there are very few Swedish people is because they recruit people who are not rooted in the society, and who thus are not as able to defend themselves in the context of that country.
I'd definitely contact the police about this once you're leaving.
Did you read the article, man? I'm re-reading it now, and it's pretty much all in there...
There's a disturbing amount of crossover, honestly...
As all have said - time to go...
I didn't... archives don't work for me, I have to open them in a different browser. And you said that it was 'uncannily similar'.
Oh ok. Here's the original link, if that helps: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-story-of-o-woke-labor-management
Essentially it was a "Black-led" cult that somehow infiltrated the Minneapolis whole foods movement during the 70s, and reached the peak of its power in the 80s. The article is largely written about one of the "escapees" from the place, who raised awareness of it...
Basically a cult of PMCs, where actions, behaviour, thoughts, lifestyles, relationships and work where all tightly controlled by the anonymous group leaders. It used many of the same tactics "my" current cult does, and it couched it in a similar veil of "self-improvement" and "leadership"...
The same struggle sessions. The same "uncovering biases" training. And it is literally the group which developed the so-called "privilege walk", which I was also made to do here, early on...
Also weirdly the same obsession with whole grain baking, so that's a weirdly consistent thing with all of these cults (I've visited three other "intentional communities", while here. They've all been cult-like, and they've all had "whole grain bakeries)...
However that one was in a city, and was definitely more... Nefarious and anonymous. This one is not (anonymous). I know who the leaders are. I know who my direct "supervisor", if you will, is. But it is also quite underground, and extremely dishonest about its intentions and on the ground realities...
No way am I staying here for as long as that woman stayed there, in order to write a book, though. I'll find other ways to expose them.
You really should watch out for both those terms. For one, self-improvement suggests that the people you're trusting are not only good, but that they can teach others how to be good/better. That's almost never the case. And leadership, what is that? Telling others what to do? In this case, being a cult leader.
Just like with making money courses: you don't make money by teaching others how to make money, but by fooling suckers into thinking that you do.
Eh, being pro-whole grain is normal in Europe.
Yeah, because even if you did write a book, it probably wouldn't sell. There goes more into that than just having agood sotry.