This all assumes rational actors, which is a comically naive mistake at this point. It's why I don't really have any respect for people who think what they're doing will actually change things. The guys who are just going "fuck this, I'm out", cool. The people who've convinced themselves something's going to change because of it are in denial or just stupid.
Son you don't know how many women will quickly settle for anything to have an easier life and follow the crowd. They can be very rational when it comes to self-interest, just stop handing things to them on a silver platter.
It's a farce that you're calling other people naive when you're doing the angsty teen "urgh, I'm the only sane person in the world, no-one else understands how rational I am!" bullshit.
Yeah it assumes at least partially rational actors, not the stupid idealized economist "perfectly rational and omniscient actors". Just regular everyday rational people, of which there are many.
You're bitching about things based off an assumption that the only societally significant portion of humanity is perfectly irrational. At which point I don't know why you're even concerned about the collapse of civilization in the first place, functional vegetables like that wouldn't have a civilization to lose.
Even if maybe as much as 5-10% of the populace are simply too irrational to negotiate with under any circumstances, do you really think changing the mind of the remaining 90% is pointless?
You also seem to be under the impression that MGTOW on a large scale wouldn't be exerting any kind of societal pressure. For one, most heterosexual women do actually want a man. You're crazy if you're taking the ones drowning their denial in cats and wine at face value. Actually listen to them in any relaxed intimate setting and they'll tell you over and over how important finding a romantic partner is to them. Hell just look at the volume of softcore smut and romance books they buy. So that's one thing they're getting denied immediately.
And two, every man who earnestly stops simping for them isn't just directly stopping giving them free shit, they're also going to be competing against them for money and power instead, and even on a level playing field that is going to hurt double. But I'm not assuming a level playing field, I'm assuming any man willing to go MGTOW is not just willing but eager to form an unspoken brotherhood to rival the feminist sisterhood in terms of undermining women and favoring men in their professional and social circles. Not just strategically, but because it will simply make their lives so much easier and happier. Once enough guys simply stop giving a fuck the workplace will start looking like 80s wall street again. All those successful ancient civilizations you idolize didn't start out with the explicit goal of patriarchy, they just landed on it naturally by all the men who were most competent and capable pushing the less capable to the sideline and not letting them into positions to fuck anything important up.
This all assumes rational actors, which is a comically naive mistake at this point. It's why I don't really have any respect for people who think what they're doing will actually change things. The guys who are just going "fuck this, I'm out", cool. The people who've convinced themselves something's going to change because of it are in denial or just stupid.
Son you don't know how many women will quickly settle for anything to have an easier life and follow the crowd. They can be very rational when it comes to self-interest, just stop handing things to them on a silver platter.
It's a farce that you're calling other people naive when you're doing the angsty teen "urgh, I'm the only sane person in the world, no-one else understands how rational I am!" bullshit.
Yeah it assumes at least partially rational actors, not the stupid idealized economist "perfectly rational and omniscient actors". Just regular everyday rational people, of which there are many.
You're bitching about things based off an assumption that the only societally significant portion of humanity is perfectly irrational. At which point I don't know why you're even concerned about the collapse of civilization in the first place, functional vegetables like that wouldn't have a civilization to lose.
Even if maybe as much as 5-10% of the populace are simply too irrational to negotiate with under any circumstances, do you really think changing the mind of the remaining 90% is pointless?
You also seem to be under the impression that MGTOW on a large scale wouldn't be exerting any kind of societal pressure. For one, most heterosexual women do actually want a man. You're crazy if you're taking the ones drowning their denial in cats and wine at face value. Actually listen to them in any relaxed intimate setting and they'll tell you over and over how important finding a romantic partner is to them. Hell just look at the volume of softcore smut and romance books they buy. So that's one thing they're getting denied immediately.
And two, every man who earnestly stops simping for them isn't just directly stopping giving them free shit, they're also going to be competing against them for money and power instead, and even on a level playing field that is going to hurt double. But I'm not assuming a level playing field, I'm assuming any man willing to go MGTOW is not just willing but eager to form an unspoken brotherhood to rival the feminist sisterhood in terms of undermining women and favoring men in their professional and social circles. Not just strategically, but because it will simply make their lives so much easier and happier. Once enough guys simply stop giving a fuck the workplace will start looking like 80s wall street again. All those successful ancient civilizations you idolize didn't start out with the explicit goal of patriarchy, they just landed on it naturally by all the men who were most competent and capable pushing the less capable to the sideline and not letting them into positions to fuck anything important up.