And really, has gay marriage helped homosexual men so much? Anecdotally, I don't see a great uptick in the amount of healthy, monogamous relationships. It certainly hasn't improved the moral rectitude of the gay community, which seems as degenerate and promiscuous as it ever was, and much more subversive.

The socio-economic impact of 2 monogamous gay men getting together is staggering. Men benefit wildly from marriage, they cut costs, maintain each other's health and fitness (physically & emotionally), and both will continue to work and try to gain status, meaning they both seek high income careers, and never have kids (so less expense). If you're gay and marry your partner, you're basically set. They out-preform every other group.

Key word: monogamous. That's the problem. Gay men are rarely monogamous. If they can keep it in their pants, they'll be fine. But... being dudes, that like to fuck dudes, that's a tall fucking order. Once they start fucking other dudes, you start to involve drama, emotional instability, social instability, and everything can go to hell in a hand-basket.

It doesn't work the same for homosexual women. Lesbian relationships are shockingly bad. High rates of domestic violence, and basically no career advancement. They basically just end up in trailer parks. Women... frankly, even lesbians, need men. It's kinda sad.

As for the "gay community", ti's not gay anymore. It's the LGBTQ2SIA+ community, and gays are actively abandoning it. It's weird for a gay man to say "I'm leaving the gay community", but the Queers are so fucking toxic and insane that they're actually causing that to happen. They are causing gays (whom would have normally self-segregated from society into gay communities), to integrate into wider society because a Queer is just that awful.

Some of what you describe occurring at Stonewall is indeed harmful to a wider society, but society was definitively stronger when homosexuality was segregated. It's when it become 'integrated' that the slippery slope came into full, alarming effect - admittedly at the hands of dishonest activists who wished it so.

This is why social enforcement is important. You want to have "enforced monogamy", as in: to socially re-enforce monogamous relationships. You don't want socialist re-distribution of virgins, nor do you want shotgun weddings of people who hate each other. Or in the case of the French: a culture that is very permissive of infidelity because of the inflexible rules on marriage.

You want to socially reinforce heterosexuality. You don't want to support people in "experimenting" with their sexuality and fucking up their sex lives with fetishes and porn, making them incapable of having deep romantic feelings with the opposite sex. Homosexuality (especially male homosexuality) is going to kind of destroy the restrictiveness on sex that women naturally place on it.

Using government violence isn't going to solve any of the social issues that creep up from the internal problems in society; and importantly: most of the degeneracies that we see now are the result of incentivization, not even permissiveness. Removing the demands for degeneracy would be 70% of the work done, and most people would revert to a normal state. No society has 30% homosexuals. That's just fiction. After 5%, it's all fetishes and grooming. You're not born with it if you're part of that additional 25%.

But thank you for the engaging and informative reply.

Thank you :)