I may or may not be in the minority here, but I oppose the death penalty. I'd rather just have a prison system that works; lock these fucks up for life, stop letting out the most violent bastards to victimize again. Death penalty is largely pointless; the criminals who would get it are either too low IQ to even contemplate the consequences (and so won't be deterred, and keeping them in prison for life has the same outcome as killing them), or too insane to consider the consequences. I just don't like the idea of a system that may occasionally execute innocent men, but doesn't seem to provide any actual benefit as far as deterrents go.
Also, as a recovering lolbertarian, I just don't think the governments should have that final authority over our very lives. It's too much, and it's too permanent. At least if they lock up an innocent, they can eventually be freed. I just don't trust our "justice" system to fairly administrate...well, anything. Furthermore, think about how our current system is set up, and how entrenched things like affirmative action. They'd basically be waiving the death penalty for nonwhites, trannies, and the like anyway.
So, yeah, I don't care how heinous someone acted, I don't think the state should be able to kill them. Just lock these monster up forever. Same outcome for society, less opportunity for abuse or tyranny.
I think you and u/bartbertbirtbortburt have had a very interesting discussion, but I’m surprised to see neither of you have explicitly brought up the cost of incarceration versus capital punishment (though “practicality” has been mentioned).
Additionally, I think there is a purpose of our “justice” system which almost never gets mentioned out loud: the loved ones of victims must feel generally content with the “system”, or else outbreaks of vigilantism occur (which the state obviously abhors due to it challenging their fundamental existence as a monopoly on force).
Well, first off, u/Kienan 's ideas are far more workable as things stand right now. Just change the law to increase sentence length and eliminate parole. Legally speaking it's pretty straight forward. As far as costs, I don't know if it's true, but organizations that oppose capital punishment claim its more expensive (legal costs associated with numerous appeals?).
My "hang the bastards" approach would require significant overhaul of the legal system.
I may or may not be in the minority here, but I oppose the death penalty. I'd rather just have a prison system that works; lock these fucks up for life, stop letting out the most violent bastards to victimize again. Death penalty is largely pointless; the criminals who would get it are either too low IQ to even contemplate the consequences (and so won't be deterred, and keeping them in prison for life has the same outcome as killing them), or too insane to consider the consequences. I just don't like the idea of a system that may occasionally execute innocent men, but doesn't seem to provide any actual benefit as far as deterrents go.
Also, as a recovering lolbertarian, I just don't think the governments should have that final authority over our very lives. It's too much, and it's too permanent. At least if they lock up an innocent, they can eventually be freed. I just don't trust our "justice" system to fairly administrate...well, anything. Furthermore, think about how our current system is set up, and how entrenched things like affirmative action. They'd basically be waiving the death penalty for nonwhites, trannies, and the like anyway.
So, yeah, I don't care how heinous someone acted, I don't think the state should be able to kill them. Just lock these monster up forever. Same outcome for society, less opportunity for abuse or tyranny.
I think you and u/bartbertbirtbortburt have had a very interesting discussion, but I’m surprised to see neither of you have explicitly brought up the cost of incarceration versus capital punishment (though “practicality” has been mentioned).
Additionally, I think there is a purpose of our “justice” system which almost never gets mentioned out loud: the loved ones of victims must feel generally content with the “system”, or else outbreaks of vigilantism occur (which the state obviously abhors due to it challenging their fundamental existence as a monopoly on force).
Well, first off, u/Kienan 's ideas are far more workable as things stand right now. Just change the law to increase sentence length and eliminate parole. Legally speaking it's pretty straight forward. As far as costs, I don't know if it's true, but organizations that oppose capital punishment claim its more expensive (legal costs associated with numerous appeals?).
My "hang the bastards" approach would require significant overhaul of the legal system.