I think the death penalty is just a nice way out for some people. And for others, life in a regular prison might not be too bad, maybe even enjoyable.
There are many fates worse than death, and some criminals are deserving of those dates.
I think 12-16 hours of forced hard labor, and maybe being used for medical experiments could benefit society a lot more than just executing them, or locking them up for decades.
In theory I agree. In practice, there are a lot of issues, including perverse economic incentives. Perhaps if the corporations who employed these people had to pay fair market wages, but it was put toward projects that benefit society, instead of to the laborers. Maybe a tax offset, too, or something. But I don't want criminals doing work law-abiding citizens could be doing, at a fraction of the cost. That's just going to be the causing some of the same issues as unchecked immigration, and elites love it.
...and maybe being used for medical experiments...
Absolutely not. Same issues as the death penalty; I don't agree the state should have that authority, and I'm concerned about the admittedly small proportion of innocent people who will get caught up in the system.
I believe in an actual justice system, not a vengeance or torture system. The number one goal of a justice system should be keeping people who harm others out of polite society. But I don't believe in violating their rights beyond incarceration. Lock the fuckers up, keep them locked up for a long time, but don't experiment on them and such. They don't need to be especially comfortable, but don't go out of the way to be cruel to them, either. Just keep them away from the rest of society.
Cruel and unusual punishment is a decent standard. However, retribution is a very important part of criminal justice. This is an uncomfortable truth, but it is iron clad. Any justice system that ignores this reality is inviting vigilantism, rebellion, and collapse.
I think the death penalty is just a nice way out for some people. And for others, life in a regular prison might not be too bad, maybe even enjoyable.
There are many fates worse than death, and some criminals are deserving of those dates.
I think 12-16 hours of forced hard labor, and maybe being used for medical experiments could benefit society a lot more than just executing them, or locking them up for decades.
In theory I agree. In practice, there are a lot of issues, including perverse economic incentives. Perhaps if the corporations who employed these people had to pay fair market wages, but it was put toward projects that benefit society, instead of to the laborers. Maybe a tax offset, too, or something. But I don't want criminals doing work law-abiding citizens could be doing, at a fraction of the cost. That's just going to be the causing some of the same issues as unchecked immigration, and elites love it.
Absolutely not. Same issues as the death penalty; I don't agree the state should have that authority, and I'm concerned about the admittedly small proportion of innocent people who will get caught up in the system.
I believe in an actual justice system, not a vengeance or torture system. The number one goal of a justice system should be keeping people who harm others out of polite society. But I don't believe in violating their rights beyond incarceration. Lock the fuckers up, keep them locked up for a long time, but don't experiment on them and such. They don't need to be especially comfortable, but don't go out of the way to be cruel to them, either. Just keep them away from the rest of society.
That's my take, anyway.
Cruel and unusual punishment is a decent standard. However, retribution is a very important part of criminal justice. This is an uncomfortable truth, but it is iron clad. Any justice system that ignores this reality is inviting vigilantism, rebellion, and collapse.