Normally, when I have an argument with genuine genetic determist white nationalists
So you are just pulling out arguments based on cliches and stereotypes about what you think I am, and then hoping they will fit. No wonder your comprehension sucks, you aren't even bothering to engage. Just copy pasting yourself from your head and calling it a day.
And to think you accuse me of being a bad faith arguer.
but its amazing how much extra effort and loops you'll tie yourselves in to pretend there isn't an issue to be had
"You will tie yourselves in." As in you people trying to deny there is an issue will tie yourselves in knots trying to argue in circles to pretend there is no, none nada issues at all with anything ever. If I was going to call you a Jew, I wouldn't do it subtly with implication. Especially if I was some dreaded anti-semite you need to rush to defeat.
Again, try actually stopping and reading what's being said instead of getting offended over what you perceive to be a fight with someone you've already constructed in your head. I truly don't give a shit about Jews or their endless battles with anti-semites. I just find the pro-semite arguers to be incredibly bad at their job to a point where its insulting to even read.
And to think you accuse me of being a bad faith arguer.
It's because you are. You didn't like that I explicitly stated that phenotypes can't define a homogenous social group. You rejected that and asserted that there would have to be a phenotype because a phenotype is as simple as the direction of hair on your head. This isn't how geneticists typically categorize human phenotype groups, nor is it evidence of a jewish phenotype. You even claimed I was arguing that no genetic difference exist between people. Then you turned around and claimed that I had changed by position from saying that a jewish phenotype existed to saying that I claimed it had to. Now you're claiming that I'm arguing against a different position.
My position has never changed: there is no such thing as a jewish phenotype.
What sucks is that even with Arch, who is explicitly bad faith but good in quality, I can still get some genuine positions out of him. It's not that you're advocating psuedo-scientific racial theories that's most annoying; it's that you are arguing like the absolute worst of them, and I know you're actually better than that.
I'm telling you that the white nationalists have a better grasp of genetics than what you are asserting, that's why your claim is silly: their assertions are still retarded, and yours is even less informed than theirs.
I just find the pro-semite arguers to be incredibly bad at their job to a point where its insulting to even read.
Yeah? And who's that? It can't possibly be the anti-theist, minarchist, anti-Zionist, that specifically demands that all foreign aid to Israel be halted, and that non-practicing jews are just lying for identity points, and shouldn't be allowed "The Right of Return".
My position has never changed: there is no such thing as a jewish phenotype.
Yes I'm sure that is the position that you hold. You present this by saying 5 paragraphs worth of circular garbage to say "nu uh, that definition is wrong!" and arguing in circles with people you've already admitted you made up based on stereotypes.
I showed you a literal definition of a word, and you didn't like that. Nothing either of us has said from that point onward has mattered, which is why I've only for the most part spoken directly to you instead of engaging with your arguments. But good on the fictional me you are battling with, he is lobbing all sorts of accusations at you.
And here I am only managing to call you a donkey.
I assume you mean Jester.
Well yes he was actually retarded, well done clearing that low bar by listing all the super cool labels you gave yourself.
I showed you a literal definition of a word, and you didn't like that.
Your definition, and it's application to human genetics, is wrong. That is why there is no "jewish phenotype". There is no "circular garbage", you're just wrong.
I've only for the most part spoken directly to you instead of engaging with your arguments.
Right, so you admit to engaging in a bad faith discussion from the beginning, after claiming that I wrongly accuse you of it.
But good on the fictional me you are battling with, he is lobbing all sorts of accusations at you.
Even this is in bad faith. You just admitted that all you've done is accuse me, while you pretend that I invented a strawman of you that accused me of things, which you already admitted you did in this very paragraph. You're actually trying to gaslight me, which is fucking bizarre.
Forget the whole phenotype thing. This is the actual issue: why are you like this? I'm not even trying to have a go at you. Why are you acting like this? Why are you being so aggressively disingenuous? Look at the very first sentence you responded to me with.
I suppose larger noses and afros just cease to exist because it would be mean to talk about it and Jews are the literal only group of people in history to not be effected by genetics.
Nobody said that. You made a wildly reductive strawman out of my statement, and you've only gotten more disingenuous, more personal, more manipulative, and more aggressive from there. Even for an internet argument, this is weird behavior. This isn't even trolling. It's like you're trying make me personally angry at you, by trying to agitate me as much as possible, no matter what your actual position is. This isn't even the first time you've acted like this. The last 3 conversations I've had with you, you've just gone absolutely apeshit and hostile, and I have no idea why you think you need to try and infuriate me.
I can't tell if this some weird rhetorical device to try and get me to say or do something that you can weaponize; or if you think you can say something to effect my personal life; or if you just have some sort of eye-bleeding hatred for me. I'm genuinely confused.
Right, so you admit to engaging in a bad faith discussion from the beginning, after claiming that I wrongly accuse you of it.
No, I gave a direct response. You responded like a donkey, so I stopped putting in effort from that point on because it was clear how this was going to go, the same way it always does.
I even asked you to say I was doing it, as I was doing it.
you've just gone absolutely apeshit and hostile
If you read this as hostile and apeshit, you're reading comprehension is worse than I ever imagined. I've literally been having a giggle at your expense for days now, while you keep trying to bait me back into an argument I've openly told you we weren't continuing.
Which is even more hilarious and confusing because it has been days. Meaning no one is reading this but us, we've both made it clear no minds will ever be changed. So your insistence on trying to continue this discourse has me quite concerned.
But if you think I have some insane vendetta out for you (there is that narcissism again, thinking you are so super special), why'd you even respond to me to begin with? You jumped into this, only to now get upset that I responded like you say I always do. That's not a good look for you buddy.
So you are just pulling out arguments based on cliches and stereotypes about what you think I am, and then hoping they will fit. No wonder your comprehension sucks, you aren't even bothering to engage. Just copy pasting yourself from your head and calling it a day.
And to think you accuse me of being a bad faith arguer.
"You will tie yourselves in." As in you people trying to deny there is an issue will tie yourselves in knots trying to argue in circles to pretend there is no, none nada issues at all with anything ever. If I was going to call you a Jew, I wouldn't do it subtly with implication. Especially if I was some dreaded anti-semite you need to rush to defeat.
Again, try actually stopping and reading what's being said instead of getting offended over what you perceive to be a fight with someone you've already constructed in your head. I truly don't give a shit about Jews or their endless battles with anti-semites. I just find the pro-semite arguers to be incredibly bad at their job to a point where its insulting to even read.
It's because you are. You didn't like that I explicitly stated that phenotypes can't define a homogenous social group. You rejected that and asserted that there would have to be a phenotype because a phenotype is as simple as the direction of hair on your head. This isn't how geneticists typically categorize human phenotype groups, nor is it evidence of a jewish phenotype. You even claimed I was arguing that no genetic difference exist between people. Then you turned around and claimed that I had changed by position from saying that a jewish phenotype existed to saying that I claimed it had to. Now you're claiming that I'm arguing against a different position.
My position has never changed: there is no such thing as a jewish phenotype.
What sucks is that even with Arch, who is explicitly bad faith but good in quality, I can still get some genuine positions out of him. It's not that you're advocating psuedo-scientific racial theories that's most annoying; it's that you are arguing like the absolute worst of them, and I know you're actually better than that.
I'm telling you that the white nationalists have a better grasp of genetics than what you are asserting, that's why your claim is silly: their assertions are still retarded, and yours is even less informed than theirs.
Yeah? And who's that? It can't possibly be the anti-theist, minarchist, anti-Zionist, that specifically demands that all foreign aid to Israel be halted, and that non-practicing jews are just lying for identity points, and shouldn't be allowed "The Right of Return".
I assume you mean Jester.
Yes I'm sure that is the position that you hold. You present this by saying 5 paragraphs worth of circular garbage to say "nu uh, that definition is wrong!" and arguing in circles with people you've already admitted you made up based on stereotypes.
I showed you a literal definition of a word, and you didn't like that. Nothing either of us has said from that point onward has mattered, which is why I've only for the most part spoken directly to you instead of engaging with your arguments. But good on the fictional me you are battling with, he is lobbing all sorts of accusations at you.
And here I am only managing to call you a donkey.
Well yes he was actually retarded, well done clearing that low bar by listing all the super cool labels you gave yourself.
Your definition, and it's application to human genetics, is wrong. That is why there is no "jewish phenotype". There is no "circular garbage", you're just wrong.
Right, so you admit to engaging in a bad faith discussion from the beginning, after claiming that I wrongly accuse you of it.
Even this is in bad faith. You just admitted that all you've done is accuse me, while you pretend that I invented a strawman of you that accused me of things, which you already admitted you did in this very paragraph. You're actually trying to gaslight me, which is fucking bizarre.
Forget the whole phenotype thing. This is the actual issue: why are you like this? I'm not even trying to have a go at you. Why are you acting like this? Why are you being so aggressively disingenuous? Look at the very first sentence you responded to me with.
Nobody said that. You made a wildly reductive strawman out of my statement, and you've only gotten more disingenuous, more personal, more manipulative, and more aggressive from there. Even for an internet argument, this is weird behavior. This isn't even trolling. It's like you're trying make me personally angry at you, by trying to agitate me as much as possible, no matter what your actual position is. This isn't even the first time you've acted like this. The last 3 conversations I've had with you, you've just gone absolutely apeshit and hostile, and I have no idea why you think you need to try and infuriate me.
I can't tell if this some weird rhetorical device to try and get me to say or do something that you can weaponize; or if you think you can say something to effect my personal life; or if you just have some sort of eye-bleeding hatred for me. I'm genuinely confused.
No, I gave a direct response. You responded like a donkey, so I stopped putting in effort from that point on because it was clear how this was going to go, the same way it always does.
I even asked you to say I was doing it, as I was doing it.
If you read this as hostile and apeshit, you're reading comprehension is worse than I ever imagined. I've literally been having a giggle at your expense for days now, while you keep trying to bait me back into an argument I've openly told you we weren't continuing.
Which is even more hilarious and confusing because it has been days. Meaning no one is reading this but us, we've both made it clear no minds will ever be changed. So your insistence on trying to continue this discourse has me quite concerned.
But if you think I have some insane vendetta out for you (there is that narcissism again, thinking you are so super special), why'd you even respond to me to begin with? You jumped into this, only to now get upset that I responded like you say I always do. That's not a good look for you buddy.