I don't think anyone is suggesting that the one on the right truly is average? Just that it's not as uncommon as the retards will claim. But of course, who the fuck plays a video game and wants to see "average"? There's a reason we play games where we're the hero. That we save countries, worlds, and universes. We want an idealised story to be a part of. That includes in terms of beauty. And that's true of women just as much of men. After all, there's a reason women prefer to cosplay as characters like Miranda or Tali from Mass Effect and not Ryder from Andromeda. We all want to be idealised in all our traits, including the physical.
I'm going to do a full argument about this I think because you would be surprised how many people can actually at least end up looking cute or normal if they took five seconds to take care of themselves
I generally agree, but let's not pretend the one on the right is anything less than either a genetic lottery, or more likely more than "five seconds to take care of themselves" worth of make-up and preening in front of a mirror. Sure, she's not a fatty or turning to excessive drug use (regardless of the drug), but there are plenty of people out there that are average looking and aren't like that without being ugly. Hand her a wet-wipe and you'll see a significant difference. Hell, just go look at any number of e-thots without their heavily caked on make-up routines.
Grooming, hygiene and general self-care regarding looks does a lot, a lot more than many believe, but it's not the only factor, and as you've made mention of, weight is a major factor in that. Even mentioning yourself that you're "pushing [yourself] to get into a bit more of a regular routine", which would be more than that 5 seconds hyperbole you laid out earlier. It's not minor effort, it's habitual effort.
Note, I do think most people without some kind of deformity are capable of looking normal, and never suggested otherwise either. But when it comes to characters people want to be, they want to be the best. Nobody wants to be the ugly character without some kind of other reason that over-rides that base nature. Everyone wants to be considered desirable, regardless of their personal stance. Yes, even beautiful people want to be desired and not considered ugly. Hell, even the SJWs that look like dogs vomit want to be desired, that's why they bitch and moan about "conventional beauty standards". It's not about beauty, it's about being perceived as desirable, they just go about it by trying to change everyone else instead of themselves.
let's not pretend the one on the right is anything less than either a genetic lottery
This response makes me sad.
She's definitely pretty -- I'd put her at above average compared to my high school graduating class; probably an 8 or so. Nowhere near the top. Definitely not a "genetic lottery winner" candidate unless you're talking about winning a $20 scratch ticket.
Are people really so desperate that she is somehow crazy attractive? Is this how far we've fallen since the '80s and '90s?
Sorry, when I said "genetic lottery", I wasn't to imply she's some supremely attractive person, just that if that's purely natural looks without any makeup, it's a win that most people won't have. I know it's not though, I know there's makeup there.
So no, I don't think she's "crazy attractive", but was more a comment on makeup. My bad for being unclear.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the one on the right truly is average? Just that it's not as uncommon as the retards will claim. But of course, who the fuck plays a video game and wants to see "average"? There's a reason we play games where we're the hero. That we save countries, worlds, and universes. We want an idealised story to be a part of. That includes in terms of beauty. And that's true of women just as much of men. After all, there's a reason women prefer to cosplay as characters like Miranda or Tali from Mass Effect and not Ryder from Andromeda. We all want to be idealised in all our traits, including the physical.
I generally agree, but let's not pretend the one on the right is anything less than either a genetic lottery, or more likely more than "five seconds to take care of themselves" worth of make-up and preening in front of a mirror. Sure, she's not a fatty or turning to excessive drug use (regardless of the drug), but there are plenty of people out there that are average looking and aren't like that without being ugly. Hand her a wet-wipe and you'll see a significant difference. Hell, just go look at any number of e-thots without their heavily caked on make-up routines.
Grooming, hygiene and general self-care regarding looks does a lot, a lot more than many believe, but it's not the only factor, and as you've made mention of, weight is a major factor in that. Even mentioning yourself that you're "pushing [yourself] to get into a bit more of a regular routine", which would be more than that 5 seconds hyperbole you laid out earlier. It's not minor effort, it's habitual effort.
Note, I do think most people without some kind of deformity are capable of looking normal, and never suggested otherwise either. But when it comes to characters people want to be, they want to be the best. Nobody wants to be the ugly character without some kind of other reason that over-rides that base nature. Everyone wants to be considered desirable, regardless of their personal stance. Yes, even beautiful people want to be desired and not considered ugly. Hell, even the SJWs that look like dogs vomit want to be desired, that's why they bitch and moan about "conventional beauty standards". It's not about beauty, it's about being perceived as desirable, they just go about it by trying to change everyone else instead of themselves.
This response makes me sad.
She's definitely pretty -- I'd put her at above average compared to my high school graduating class; probably an 8 or so. Nowhere near the top. Definitely not a "genetic lottery winner" candidate unless you're talking about winning a $20 scratch ticket.
Are people really so desperate that she is somehow crazy attractive? Is this how far we've fallen since the '80s and '90s?
Sorry, when I said "genetic lottery", I wasn't to imply she's some supremely attractive person, just that if that's purely natural looks without any makeup, it's a win that most people won't have. I know it's not though, I know there's makeup there.
So no, I don't think she's "crazy attractive", but was more a comment on makeup. My bad for being unclear.