And for all that effort, only 12% of the carbon in the atmosphere is from after 1750.
I'd debate you on that, but that's literally not what your source actually says. It's actually claiming that 12% of the Co2 in the atmosphere is from the use of fossil fuels.
I'm not sure I can agree with most of this study, especially since it's extrapolating Carbon-14 measurements that were taken by NOAA in about a decade long span, trying to reason out how much Carbon-14 probably was in the atmosphere. Worse, I'm not sure I can buy into the idea that if Carbon-14 Co2 is in the atmosphere, it will decrease the non-Carbon-14 Co2 levels. Maybe by proportion that could be the case, but see my first issue.
I'm also not sure about the logic here of using that idea. As they note, carbon is absorbed into carbon revisors. How much Carbon-14 Co2 is being absorbed compared to non Carbon-14 Co2? Why is it just assumed to be basically equal absorption rates?
Then we have to consider that fossil fuel emissions are not the only Co2 were even talking about in the first place. The primary reason environmentalists are attacking farmers right now is not because they are using tractors, but because of the generic carbon emissions of agriculture itself. The Co2 emissions are not just only from burning a coal. It's the result of the industrial revolution around that coal. That increased the general population (by an astronomical level), it's land use, removed carbon sinks like forests, so on and so forth.
The value of hydrocarbons is that it prompted industrialization. That industrialization has a multiplicity of knock-on effects that are more than just "coal gas go up".
In Feb this year, ocean temps rose so much and so fast that a third of the total warming since 1995 occurred in 3 weeks. This event alone discredits the consensus AGW model.
Actually most people would try and use this to prove AGW, but okay. Not that that one statement matters, again, weather is not climate. Sturm tried to explain this to you.
Fortunately we have so many impartial experts who can look at it and freely debate its merits and whose careers and credibility aren't dependent on that debate concluding in a particular way.
Actually most people would try and use this to prove AGW
Probably. Climate catastrophism and reason have long since parted ways.
Fortunately we have so many impartial experts who can look at it and freely debate its merits and whose careers and credibility aren't dependent on that debate concluding in a particular way.
Yes, yes, don't review the data, just trust The Alt-Science.
Climate catastrophism and reason have long since parted ways.
You genuinely don't know what you are talking about. You are just arguing against a strawman, rather than dealing with the evidence.
You genuinely don't know what you are talking about. You are just arguing against a strawman, rather than dealing with the evidence.
You're calling me ignorant when you haven't even figured out that the deranged covid cultists, the deranged climate cultists, the deranged race cultists, the deranged gender cultists, the deranged capitalism cultists, the deranged colonialism cultists, and broadly the deranged woke cultists are all part of the same Marxist cult. I suggest you look at how the 1990 IPCC """consensus""" was formed, and at ClimateGate, and at the woke cult generally. And if after all that you still don't get it, you never will.
you haven't even figured out that... woke cultists are all part of the same Marxist cult
Oooh. So you're new here. You've never seen my comments before. Cool.
My name is Gizortnik, how are you today?
Anyways, as I've said for years, now. As is the case with the vast and sweeping majority of Leftist actions, they typically stand in front of anyone doing any real work, or anyone having real problems, and then graft a narrative on top of that. The Feminist lobby is not the arbiter of all women world wide, nor is the UK Labour party the objective representative of all working-class individuals in Great Britain, nor is Al Gore the sole authority on Climatology.
Same with Covid, the disease.... exists. Yes, I know Fauci lied. That does not invalidate it's existence. You see, data exists. In fact, most of what happened during Covid is that the data was collected correctly, and then the results were simply re-interpreted or re-framed. This is why I had to shove the scientific studies that Leftists would hand me back in their face any time that they claimed that this or that study "proved" that the vaccines prevented transmission. Every single study they cited never said that. It never even concluded that. But because TV man said it did without reading the data, was more important than the data itself.
I will grant you that there were several occasions where the conclusions would say something that TV Man wanted to hear. Those conclusions were also not supported by the data in those very studies. Which is why I'm harping on the data.
I know that Al Gore is an idiot, and so is AOC. The moment you throw out all scientific investigation into Climatology because Leftists are retarded, you actually grant them an authority they don't deserve.
I'd debate you on that, but that's literally not what your source actually says. It's actually claiming that 12% of the Co2 in the atmosphere is from the use of fossil fuels.
I'm not sure I can agree with most of this study, especially since it's extrapolating Carbon-14 measurements that were taken by NOAA in about a decade long span, trying to reason out how much Carbon-14 probably was in the atmosphere. Worse, I'm not sure I can buy into the idea that if Carbon-14 Co2 is in the atmosphere, it will decrease the non-Carbon-14 Co2 levels. Maybe by proportion that could be the case, but see my first issue.
I'm also not sure about the logic here of using that idea. As they note, carbon is absorbed into carbon revisors. How much Carbon-14 Co2 is being absorbed compared to non Carbon-14 Co2? Why is it just assumed to be basically equal absorption rates?
Then we have to consider that fossil fuel emissions are not the only Co2 were even talking about in the first place. The primary reason environmentalists are attacking farmers right now is not because they are using tractors, but because of the generic carbon emissions of agriculture itself. The Co2 emissions are not just only from burning a coal. It's the result of the industrial revolution around that coal. That increased the general population (by an astronomical level), it's land use, removed carbon sinks like forests, so on and so forth.
The value of hydrocarbons is that it prompted industrialization. That industrialization has a multiplicity of knock-on effects that are more than just "coal gas go up".
Actually most people would try and use this to prove AGW, but okay. Not that that one statement matters, again, weather is not climate. Sturm tried to explain this to you.
Fortunately we have so many impartial experts who can look at it and freely debate its merits and whose careers and credibility aren't dependent on that debate concluding in a particular way.
Probably. Climate catastrophism and reason have long since parted ways.
Yes, yes, don't review the data, just trust The Alt-Science.
You genuinely don't know what you are talking about. You are just arguing against a strawman, rather than dealing with the evidence.
You're calling me ignorant when you haven't even figured out that the deranged covid cultists, the deranged climate cultists, the deranged race cultists, the deranged gender cultists, the deranged capitalism cultists, the deranged colonialism cultists, and broadly the deranged woke cultists are all part of the same Marxist cult. I suggest you look at how the 1990 IPCC """consensus""" was formed, and at ClimateGate, and at the woke cult generally. And if after all that you still don't get it, you never will.
Oooh. So you're new here. You've never seen my comments before. Cool.
My name is Gizortnik, how are you today?
Anyways, as I've said for years, now. As is the case with the vast and sweeping majority of Leftist actions, they typically stand in front of anyone doing any real work, or anyone having real problems, and then graft a narrative on top of that. The Feminist lobby is not the arbiter of all women world wide, nor is the UK Labour party the objective representative of all working-class individuals in Great Britain, nor is Al Gore the sole authority on Climatology.
Same with Covid, the disease.... exists. Yes, I know Fauci lied. That does not invalidate it's existence. You see, data exists. In fact, most of what happened during Covid is that the data was collected correctly, and then the results were simply re-interpreted or re-framed. This is why I had to shove the scientific studies that Leftists would hand me back in their face any time that they claimed that this or that study "proved" that the vaccines prevented transmission. Every single study they cited never said that. It never even concluded that. But because TV man said it did without reading the data, was more important than the data itself.
I will grant you that there were several occasions where the conclusions would say something that TV Man wanted to hear. Those conclusions were also not supported by the data in those very studies. Which is why I'm harping on the data.
I know that Al Gore is an idiot, and so is AOC. The moment you throw out all scientific investigation into Climatology because Leftists are retarded, you actually grant them an authority they don't deserve.