I always like the "those words don't mean anything, you couldn't even define it!" cope. I'm fairly certain anyone who uses them could. They might need a moment to configure their thoughts, but they could within a very short frame.
But like all atheists and "woke commies" they live on Debate Club logic where if you can't instantly answer every possible prompt they have, they win.
Also Torvalds has never been an ally, or even a "good person." His status as a hero has always been propped up by people associating his work as some Libertarian Freedom Dream with him as a person and pushing all their ideals onto him.
I can see that "argument" (aka irrelevant deflection) when it comes to terms like cultural Marxist, but defining "woke" or "communist" in the ways they're used in common parlance is pretty basic. Plus, these people can't even define woman and they demand definitions from us? Lmao.
How would you describe it? To me it's a mixture of fixation on identity politics (especially whatever Current Thing happens to be), virtue signaling and pushing of policy based around feelings, not results.
I'd describe it as the end point of Intersectionality, wherein all aspects of life are now political and must be made to ascribe to the political goals of the Intersectional Ideology.
The important thing when these people ask you to describe it is to avoid vague phrases like "policy based around feelings" because it just begins a rabbit hole of them asking you to either keep describing it more or simply not accepting it because they agree with these vague "feel good" ideas.
Would you describe intersectionality as being distinct from identity politics? If intersectionality is "it's not just a feminist problem, but a black, lesbian, feminist <insert other group identity> problem".
I also guess vicitimhood and inversion of the social hierarchy are also cornerstones of woke.
avoid vague phrases like "policy based around feelings"
Back when I was still a shitlib, The way I looked at it was that intersectionality was a method of scoring/ranking individuals for privilege/oppression based on a number of attributes (eg. race, sex, sexual orientation, etc...).
Then identity politics was the value judgement of, once you have this raking, how to you allocate resources and extract taxes on the basis of this ranking?
I do not know if that was an accepted way of distinguishing between the two or if that was just my own personal way of "polishing the turd" to make sense of nonsensical ideas.
I think Identity Politics is probably the same in actuality, but the phrasing of it that way has a worse connotation. Because Identity Politics is what its opponents describe it as, Intersectionality is their word for it and how they pushed for it to come to be back in the day. While they don't really use it now, it has a history in their own literature and discussions so its far harder to dismiss outright.
I always like the "those words don't mean anything, you couldn't even define it!" cope. I'm fairly certain anyone who uses them could. They might need a moment to configure their thoughts, but they could within a very short frame.
But like all atheists and "woke commies" they live on Debate Club logic where if you can't instantly answer every possible prompt they have, they win.
Also Torvalds has never been an ally, or even a "good person." His status as a hero has always been propped up by people associating his work as some Libertarian Freedom Dream with him as a person and pushing all their ideals onto him.
I can see that "argument" (aka irrelevant deflection) when it comes to terms like cultural Marxist, but defining "woke" or "communist" in the ways they're used in common parlance is pretty basic. Plus, these people can't even define woman and they demand definitions from us? Lmao.
Cultural Marxism is a far narrower concept than wokeism.
How would you describe it? To me it's a mixture of fixation on identity politics (especially whatever Current Thing happens to be), virtue signaling and pushing of policy based around feelings, not results.
I'd describe it as the end point of Intersectionality, wherein all aspects of life are now political and must be made to ascribe to the political goals of the Intersectional Ideology.
The important thing when these people ask you to describe it is to avoid vague phrases like "policy based around feelings" because it just begins a rabbit hole of them asking you to either keep describing it more or simply not accepting it because they agree with these vague "feel good" ideas.
Would you describe intersectionality as being distinct from identity politics? If intersectionality is "it's not just a feminist problem, but a black, lesbian, feminist <insert other group identity> problem".
I also guess vicitimhood and inversion of the social hierarchy are also cornerstones of woke.
Great point.
Back when I was still a shitlib, The way I looked at it was that intersectionality was a method of scoring/ranking individuals for privilege/oppression based on a number of attributes (eg. race, sex, sexual orientation, etc...).
Then identity politics was the value judgement of, once you have this raking, how to you allocate resources and extract taxes on the basis of this ranking?
I do not know if that was an accepted way of distinguishing between the two or if that was just my own personal way of "polishing the turd" to make sense of nonsensical ideas.
I think Identity Politics is probably the same in actuality, but the phrasing of it that way has a worse connotation. Because Identity Politics is what its opponents describe it as, Intersectionality is their word for it and how they pushed for it to come to be back in the day. While they don't really use it now, it has a history in their own literature and discussions so its far harder to dismiss outright.