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This is this some next-level of pandering. (twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor 3 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor +29 / -0
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– Bouldabassed 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah that is a much better dive into the specifics.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Yeah, I've had to dig out my "Jew v. Jew" book a few times in my arguments on this forum with certain ConsumeProduct fans. The current political crisis in Israel is a big indicator of how the Leftists intend to try and defeat the right in purging the Judiciary. I'm not a fan of some parts of the Judcial legislation, but they are basically trying to over-throw the government with violent street protests after having already previously ousted Netenyahu (and failing to keep him back out).

Expect the lessons from Israel to be applied to the US even in the event that Trump wins.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Israel's political crisis stems from the contradictions between liberalism and Israel's status as an ethnic, collectivist, blood and soil nationalist state. The ideas are inherently contradictory, and Jews have always been playing with fire in promoting liberalism to enable their stranglehold on power in nations where they are a diaspora.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You're close. It's a contradictions between the progressive nationalist state (which is the blood & soil part) and the theocratic state (which, like most abrahamic religions, is illiberal anyway).

No one's actually arguing for Liberalism here. Just Race/National Socialism on the Left, and Theocracy on the right.

Jews have only promoted liberalism because plenty of them were intellectuals in western Europe and America, where Liberalism exists. By the time there became a real opportunity for creating a jewish state, Liberalism had basically been defeated and subverted, so the calls were for Zionists on the Left, and Theocrats on the right.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The theocrats are also blood and soil nationalists because Judaism is a blood and soil nationalist religion. The religious Jews are just also attached to metaphysical superstitions and various aesthetic religious traditions. These aren't the major inflection points of conflict, though. It's that the courts, in accordance with liberal minoritarianism, are more protective of Israel's gentiles minorities and sometimes oppose things like settlement expansion.

The J-left doesn't usually conflict over religious aesthetics. The ADL, for example, helped rebuff Iceland's attempts to ban circumcision. The left-right divide among Jews primarily flares up over the right's higher tendency towards illiberalism. In many cases, the conflict revolves around optics anyhow.

Jews began heavily promoting liberalism post-WWII. They were instrumental in the Civil Rights movement, sexual revolution, New Left, etc. They did that because liberalism is a great vehicle for promoting minority - which obviously includes Jewish - interests. It was especially useful for preventing anudah shoa. Jews study the rise of fascism a ton after it happened and were obsessed with preventing it from happening again. They recognized that liberalizing whites by weaponizing American's foundational logic would be useful in that. A liberalized white population is a political impotent one.

I think you are trying to claim liberalism has been defeated because you yourself are a lib and can't admit that liberalism has made things horrible in the West. You therefore externalize blame. In reality, liberalism has peaked in recent years. As we've discussed in the past, nearly 100% of Americans held deeply racist, illiberal beliefs prior to the 1960s. The 60s made things worse because they made things more liberal, and Jews were a huge part of that.

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