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I can barely put into words how dangerous and twisted it is that it is now the NYT and WashPost that does the FBI's job for it by hunting down leakers of classified information -- the people on whom real journalism depends -- working in tandem with state-funded Bellingcat: (twitter.com)
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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Besides the issue of Moscovite/Bolshevik mass genocide of the natives in Eastern Ukraine during the 1930s (when Western Ukraine was in Poland so people there were survived), and the great replacement of the millions of the murdered locals by Russian settler colonizers (who you call "locals"), it means nothing because not only they now identify as Ukrainians but have become fierce Ukrainian nationalists, even ultranationalists. The original Azov was made largely of the ultras-hooligan Russian speakers from Kharkiv (the largest city in Donbas and second-largest in all Ukraine). SSO Azov and the 3rd Azov Brigade and SSO Kraken (also Azov's, just less officially), all of them are from Kharkiv mostly, and they commonly speak Russian among themselves, and even have hundreds of the Russian Nazi members, by which I mean Russian political-exile immigrants from Russia as well as from Belarus. (While their Right Sector rivals are from West and instead speak Ukrainian to each other.) The language doesn't matter, but also practically everyone everywhere are simply bilingual. Zelensky himself was exclusively only a Russian speaker, who had lived and worked mostly in Moscow (he was a comedian in Russia), until after the Russian invasion in 2014, which is why he only became bilingual after both moving to Ukraine for good. But he also kept speaking Russian even after becoming a politician, deliberately so: https://www.france24.com/en/20190416-russian-speakers-ukraine-candidate-talking-language

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– captain-shitpost 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

not only they now identify as Ukrainians

no they don't. that's why ukraine refused the referendum.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Referendum already took place, in 1991. Even after 70 years of literal genocide and massive ethnic replacement (millions of people sent from Russia to replace the dead), as well as Russification (including Russian being of course the official Soviet language), most people in every single oblast decided to live in the independent Ukraine.

It was a direct referendum of all population conducted in every oblast separately, following the vote by the Ukrainian Soviet parliament - where only 2 regional deputies voted against independence, compared to 321 regional deputies who voted for (and 6 absenting). Overal 84% of all people participated in this second, direct vote, and 92% of them voted yes. It was only contested in Crimea (54% yes).

And which was accepted by the Moscow leadership of the Soviet Union, who withrew the Soviet (Russian) forces, and then the new international border with the new country Russia was officially confirmed in the 1992 treaty.

Russia where there were no such regional referendums for any regions of Russia, unlike for the secession of Ukraine from Moscow rule, and was just automatic for every single region of the Russian Soviet Socialist Federal Republic to become a part of the Russian Federation. There was no yes/no choice given to anyone there.

And after Chechnya refused and made their own vote and declared independence from the Soviet Russia over 1 year before even the official proclaimation of the Russian Federation, seceding from the Checheno-Ingush Soviet Autonomous Socialist Republic (where the Ingush decided to stay in Russia, so they peacefully split into Chechnya and Ingushetia), you should know how Moscow reacted to that.

Today, most of the "locals" in the Russian occupied territories have been either killed or displaced. While Russia is now again replacing them but this time (at the time of the Russian demographic crisis) with immigrants from Central Asia, who ironically often don't even speak Russian.

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