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So it begins: "Audrey Hale's Mom Urged People to Petition for Gun Control Before Shooting" (archive.ph)
posted 3 years ago by altmehere 3 years ago by altmehere +60 / -0
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– Steampunk_Moustache 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

To be fair, I don't think it being a troon is particularly relevant.

All we're seeing is the same kind of depressed, mentally ill special snowflake doing the exact same thing they've done in America for decades.

If this mass shooter had been born 20 year earlier, they would've still grown up to be a mass shooter. Their troonery is merely the modern expression of their mental illness. Because that's what troonery is. Mental illness.

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– realerfunction 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

it is relevant, it's called a comorbidity.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Sure, but I'm saying that America's trend of school shootings started long, long before the troon trend did, and both trends appeal to exactly the same kind of depressed autistic misfit.

I think this bitch had ultimately the same motivation as just about every other school shooter of the last 40 years that the trend has truly been going: A desperate last ditch effort for their frustration about the way the world isn't catering to their mindset to be heard. We see this so often in America not just because of the access to guns but because of the primacy of the individual over the collective.

A mass shooter is Individualism over Collectivism pushed to its twisted extreme, and the targets are so frequently schools because that's the single biggest most collectivist experience in the average American life. It's hell on earth for an individualist autist who doesn't fit in.

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– DemolitionsPanda 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You really don't think that taking huge doses of testosterone has anything to do with urges to violence or violent acts?

Cute.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

She's not the first mass shooter with a vagina and she won't be the last.

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– DemolitionsPanda 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

While you are correct, I suspect that you are deliberately missing the point.

Changes in T were positively correlated with aggression (r = 0.108, 95% CIs [0.041, 0.174])

From Is testosterone linked to human aggression? A meta-analytic examination of the relationship between baseline, dynamic, and manipulated testosterone on human aggression

Or how about:

The researchers found that those with relatively high testosterone and cortisol were more likely to have engaged in impulsive and violent crime.

From Testosterone and cortisol levels are linked to criminal behavior, according to new research

While research does not suggest that testosterone levels are a causal link, they do suggest that changes in testosterone levels, especially when associated with high stress, lead to an increase in impulsive behavior and criminal behavior.

I would not jump to any conclusions, because mass shooters are displaying vanishingly rare (in the scale of the population) aberrant behavior. That said, not for a moment do I think that giving suicidal people huge doses of male hormones is a good idea. Not for men, and not for women either. I am sure that there is a link; Just like high testosterone women (mostly lesbians) are the most violent within relationships.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

impulsive and violent crime.

A mass shooting like this one isn't impulsive. She likely stewed on the idea for years, if not for most of her life.

I would not jump to any conclusions, because mass shooters are displaying vanishingly rare (in the scale of the population) aberrant behavior.

Yeah, that's the problem. Those stats are probably good for analyzing the general pattern of violence across society, but something as abberant as a mass shooting may not follow that pattern. Honestly, looking at photographs of school shooters, 'High Testosterone' is not a thought that comes to mind. Honestly, it's the opposite, and shootings like this have risen over the same period that average testosterone levels have fallen.

Perhaps there's a certain level of low testosterone that's problematic - high enough for increased violent thought, too low for impulsive action, resulting in a years long, excruciatingly slow buildup of violent ideation until an explosive tipping point is reached. 'It's always the quiet ones', after all.

Or perhaps its autism. Which these days is absolutely linked to troonery, especially in women.

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– MLGS 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

We barely had this style of school shooter 20 years ago. Columbine was only four years earlier.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Columbine is the Woodstock of school shootings, sure, but the fire was lit in the 80's. That's when you start to see incidents with double digit casualties go from once per decade to occurring roughly every two years.

Speaking of 'the Woodstock of School Shootings', in 1989 we get the movie Heathers, in which a trench-coat clad boy shoots two classmates and bombs his school in an act he describes as 'a Woodstock for the 80s'.

With regards to mass shootings, nothing much changes in the rate of 10+ casualty events - but the background noise of low casualty events has been climbing since forever, and it shows not signs of stopping. Then, back to back, Coming hot on the heels of the previous year's 29 casualty (4 killed, 25 wounded) mass shooting by Kip Kinkel, Columbine upped the ante with two protagonists and 15 killed, and 24 wounded. The act itself is particularly reminiscent of Heathers in that like the movie, it included trenchcoats, bombs, and, uniquely, wasn't a lone wolf affair. The build up to it was documented on video, and beneath the coats, were shirts with 'Natural Selection' and 'Wrath' on them - just like Heathers, it was a performance intended to be seen by others. Columbine is the point where school shootings are no longer directionless 1979's 'I hate mondays' shooting, but rather become the live action performance art of people with manifestos, who dress up for their big day on stage. Attention and sympathy for a tragic anti-hero are deliberately sought from this point on. The act becomes the same opportunity for the killers that is is for the media and politicians; an opportunity to stand on a pile of corpses and say something.

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