Explain the bath scene. I keep coming back to this, because this is flat out an example where there is a clear demarcation between whether she considers herself a man or a woman. Her words were that she couldn't go in the women's bath, "because there is no mixed bathing in the castle". So she went in the men's bath.
If other people's interpretations don't matter, and only yours does, then explain that one.
Because it's a Japanese work made by a japanese man with japanese mentality behind it.
In Japan, there's this thing called honne tatamae. It's a complex phenomenon that can be roughly described as keeping your opinions to yourself in order to not start a scene. It's sort of like political correctness except not pathological and has limit to it.
Put two and two together and you can figure out that the main cast is putting up with Yamato's antics because they don't want to cause a scene, especially since most of them are recuperating from a death battle and they're still technically outside invaders.
But when Yamato tries to push her shit on Luffy's ship, on his turf, that's when he doesn't need to put up a front anymore and tells Yamato straight up to cut with her bullshit.
This is what you get when you try to project western sensibilities on a eastern cultural product.
No. One Piece is not a international product and Oda certainly doesn't take hints from west on how to push his series. If that were not the case then Ivankov wouldn't be the joke he is.
Japanese mentality is delightfully stuck few decades behind the west and thank god for that.
You're making uncorroborated assumptions. Go back and read it. Luffy is repeatedly calling Yamato "Yamabro". Although I acknowledge that that's likely a localization by a potentially politically-inclined translator rather than Luffy's actual words, it still tells me that Luffy is calling her by a nickname that implies familiarity (and possibly a reference to masculinity) in the original Japanese. If you have a better translation for the original text, I'd be interested to hear it.
But not only that, there is no point in the epilogue of that arc that Luffy even implies that he disagrees with what Yamato's saying and doing. He even invites her on his ship, which he definitely wouldn't do if he was losing patience with her antics. You're suggesting that Luffy thinks things that he never actually shows through words or actions.
But even if Luffy thought what you claim he thinks, it still wouldn't change the fact that Yamato herself thinks that she can be a man if she wants to be a man, which is shown unambiguously through her own actions. This is how Oda chose to portray her. He chose to make her a transtrender. And that is a decision that I disagree with, to the point that it soured me on the story itself, which was my original point. Nothing you have said, through your many paragraphs of text and numerous responses, have contradicted this.
You're making uncorroborated assumptions. Go back and read it. Luffy is repeatedly calling Yamato "Yamabro". Although I acknowledge that that's likely a localization by a potentially politically-inclined translator rather than Luffy's actual words, it still tells me that Luffy is calling her by a nickname that implies familiarity (and possibly a reference to masculinity) in the original Japanese. If you have a better translation for the original text, I'd be interested to hear it.
My bad. I vividly remembered Luffy turning down someone in Wano but it wasn't Yamato. It was Momonosuke. But still the hono tatamae still stands.
But not only that, there is no point in the epilogue of that arc that Luffy even implies that he disagrees with what Yamato's saying and doing. He even invites her on his ship, which he definitely wouldn't do if he was losing patience with her antics. You're suggesting that Luffy thinks things that he never actually shows through words or actions.
Quickly skidded through chapter 1050s and I don't quite recall that panel where Luffy had any interaction with Yamato regarding that topic. All I found is 1057 page 2 where Yamato talked about it and that is it. No details or flashbacks.
But even if Luffy thought what you claim he thinks, it still wouldn't change the fact that Yamato herself thinks that she can be a man if she wants to be a man, which is shown unambiguously through her own actions. This is how Oda chose to portray her. He chose to make her a transtrender. And that is a decision that I disagree with, to the point that it soured me on the story itself, which was my original point. Nothing you have said, through your many paragraphs of text and numerous responses, have contradicted this.
Oda only presented a girl who is obsessed with Oden to the point of impersonation. Anything else is an interpretation through western zeitgeist.
Oda only presented a girl who is obsessed with Oden to the point of impersonation. Anything else is an interpretation through western zeitgeist.
I keep coming back to this, but just no. Because of the bath scene.
I wanted to believe that she wasn't supposed to be a trans character. I argued on reddit that she wasn't, that it was just idolatry. But then the chapter with that scene came out, and it was now unmistakeable that she considers herself a man. She is a transtrender.
Explain the bath scene. I keep coming back to this, because this is flat out an example where there is a clear demarcation between whether she considers herself a man or a woman. Her words were that she couldn't go in the women's bath, "because there is no mixed bathing in the castle". So she went in the men's bath.
If other people's interpretations don't matter, and only yours does, then explain that one.
Because it's a Japanese work made by a japanese man with japanese mentality behind it.
In Japan, there's this thing called honne tatamae. It's a complex phenomenon that can be roughly described as keeping your opinions to yourself in order to not start a scene. It's sort of like political correctness except not pathological and has limit to it.
Put two and two together and you can figure out that the main cast is putting up with Yamato's antics because they don't want to cause a scene, especially since most of them are recuperating from a death battle and they're still technically outside invaders.
But when Yamato tries to push her shit on Luffy's ship, on his turf, that's when he doesn't need to put up a front anymore and tells Yamato straight up to cut with her bullshit.
This is what you get when you try to project western sensibilities on a eastern cultural product.
No. One Piece is not a international product and Oda certainly doesn't take hints from west on how to push his series. If that were not the case then Ivankov wouldn't be the joke he is.
Japanese mentality is delightfully stuck few decades behind the west and thank god for that.
You're making uncorroborated assumptions. Go back and read it. Luffy is repeatedly calling Yamato "Yamabro". Although I acknowledge that that's likely a localization by a potentially politically-inclined translator rather than Luffy's actual words, it still tells me that Luffy is calling her by a nickname that implies familiarity (and possibly a reference to masculinity) in the original Japanese. If you have a better translation for the original text, I'd be interested to hear it.
But not only that, there is no point in the epilogue of that arc that Luffy even implies that he disagrees with what Yamato's saying and doing. He even invites her on his ship, which he definitely wouldn't do if he was losing patience with her antics. You're suggesting that Luffy thinks things that he never actually shows through words or actions.
But even if Luffy thought what you claim he thinks, it still wouldn't change the fact that Yamato herself thinks that she can be a man if she wants to be a man, which is shown unambiguously through her own actions. This is how Oda chose to portray her. He chose to make her a transtrender. And that is a decision that I disagree with, to the point that it soured me on the story itself, which was my original point. Nothing you have said, through your many paragraphs of text and numerous responses, have contradicted this.
My bad. I vividly remembered Luffy turning down someone in Wano but it wasn't Yamato. It was Momonosuke. But still the hono tatamae still stands.
Quickly skidded through chapter 1050s and I don't quite recall that panel where Luffy had any interaction with Yamato regarding that topic. All I found is 1057 page 2 where Yamato talked about it and that is it. No details or flashbacks.
Oda only presented a girl who is obsessed with Oden to the point of impersonation. Anything else is an interpretation through western zeitgeist.
I keep coming back to this, but just no. Because of the bath scene.
I wanted to believe that she wasn't supposed to be a trans character. I argued on reddit that she wasn't, that it was just idolatry. But then the chapter with that scene came out, and it was now unmistakeable that she considers herself a man. She is a transtrender.