You're making uncorroborated assumptions. Go back and read it. Luffy is repeatedly calling Yamato "Yamabro". Although I acknowledge that that's likely a localization by a potentially politically-inclined translator rather than Luffy's actual words, it still tells me that Luffy is calling her by a nickname that implies familiarity (and possibly a reference to masculinity) in the original Japanese. If you have a better translation for the original text, I'd be interested to hear it.
But not only that, there is no point in the epilogue of that arc that Luffy even implies that he disagrees with what Yamato's saying and doing. He even invites her on his ship, which he definitely wouldn't do if he was losing patience with her antics. You're suggesting that Luffy thinks things that he never actually shows through words or actions.
But even if Luffy thought what you claim he thinks, it still wouldn't change the fact that Yamato herself thinks that she can be a man if she wants to be a man, which is shown unambiguously through her own actions. This is how Oda chose to portray her. He chose to make her a transtrender. And that is a decision that I disagree with, to the point that it soured me on the story itself, which was my original point. Nothing you have said, through your many paragraphs of text and numerous responses, have contradicted this.
You're making uncorroborated assumptions. Go back and read it. Luffy is repeatedly calling Yamato "Yamabro". Although I acknowledge that that's likely a localization by a potentially politically-inclined translator rather than Luffy's actual words, it still tells me that Luffy is calling her by a nickname that implies familiarity (and possibly a reference to masculinity) in the original Japanese. If you have a better translation for the original text, I'd be interested to hear it.
My bad. I vividly remembered Luffy turning down someone in Wano but it wasn't Yamato. It was Momonosuke. But still the hono tatamae still stands.
But not only that, there is no point in the epilogue of that arc that Luffy even implies that he disagrees with what Yamato's saying and doing. He even invites her on his ship, which he definitely wouldn't do if he was losing patience with her antics. You're suggesting that Luffy thinks things that he never actually shows through words or actions.
Quickly skidded through chapter 1050s and I don't quite recall that panel where Luffy had any interaction with Yamato regarding that topic. All I found is 1057 page 2 where Yamato talked about it and that is it. No details or flashbacks.
But even if Luffy thought what you claim he thinks, it still wouldn't change the fact that Yamato herself thinks that she can be a man if she wants to be a man, which is shown unambiguously through her own actions. This is how Oda chose to portray her. He chose to make her a transtrender. And that is a decision that I disagree with, to the point that it soured me on the story itself, which was my original point. Nothing you have said, through your many paragraphs of text and numerous responses, have contradicted this.
Oda only presented a girl who is obsessed with Oden to the point of impersonation. Anything else is an interpretation through western zeitgeist.
Oda only presented a girl who is obsessed with Oden to the point of impersonation. Anything else is an interpretation through western zeitgeist.
I keep coming back to this, but just no. Because of the bath scene.
I wanted to believe that she wasn't supposed to be a trans character. I argued on reddit that she wasn't, that it was just idolatry. But then the chapter with that scene came out, and it was now unmistakeable that she considers herself a man. She is a transtrender.
You're making uncorroborated assumptions. Go back and read it. Luffy is repeatedly calling Yamato "Yamabro". Although I acknowledge that that's likely a localization by a potentially politically-inclined translator rather than Luffy's actual words, it still tells me that Luffy is calling her by a nickname that implies familiarity (and possibly a reference to masculinity) in the original Japanese. If you have a better translation for the original text, I'd be interested to hear it.
But not only that, there is no point in the epilogue of that arc that Luffy even implies that he disagrees with what Yamato's saying and doing. He even invites her on his ship, which he definitely wouldn't do if he was losing patience with her antics. You're suggesting that Luffy thinks things that he never actually shows through words or actions.
But even if Luffy thought what you claim he thinks, it still wouldn't change the fact that Yamato herself thinks that she can be a man if she wants to be a man, which is shown unambiguously through her own actions. This is how Oda chose to portray her. He chose to make her a transtrender. And that is a decision that I disagree with, to the point that it soured me on the story itself, which was my original point. Nothing you have said, through your many paragraphs of text and numerous responses, have contradicted this.
My bad. I vividly remembered Luffy turning down someone in Wano but it wasn't Yamato. It was Momonosuke. But still the hono tatamae still stands.
Quickly skidded through chapter 1050s and I don't quite recall that panel where Luffy had any interaction with Yamato regarding that topic. All I found is 1057 page 2 where Yamato talked about it and that is it. No details or flashbacks.
Oda only presented a girl who is obsessed with Oden to the point of impersonation. Anything else is an interpretation through western zeitgeist.
I keep coming back to this, but just no. Because of the bath scene.
I wanted to believe that she wasn't supposed to be a trans character. I argued on reddit that she wasn't, that it was just idolatry. But then the chapter with that scene came out, and it was now unmistakeable that she considers herself a man. She is a transtrender.
No. That's just her taking Oden impersonation that far.