something being natural doesn’t make it good or moral.
I made no prescriptive judgement of it being good or moral. I said it was basic. As in, it didn't need you to redefine it multiple times to describe what it was. It was a natural concept that humans naturally understood without needing to learn, and trying to fancy it up only makes you seem like you have an agenda.
Sure, some people have fallen away, seduced by Leftist culture or other ideologies, but the core remains strong, primarily because our values are based on something eternal and universal and not tribalistic or worldly.
That's a really huffing your own farts way of saying "some of you may die, but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make." I guess when you consider yourself so smart and full of aged wisdom, the suffering and misery of others means nothing to you. As long as you get to look back and say "I never compromised!" the infinite graves are all justified.
I've also been in this "culture war" for decades, you aren't special in that regard.
I made no prescriptive judgement of it being good or moral. I said it was basic. As in, it didn't need you to redefine it multiple times to describe what it was.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. I never redefined it because I never defined it in the first place, you did. I just said it seems like a substitute for higher values.
That's a really huffing your own farts way of saying "some of you may die, but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make." I guess when you consider yourself so smart and full of aged wisdom, the suffering and misery of others means nothing to you. As long as you get to look back and say "I never compromised!" the infinite graves are all justified.
You’re being over-dramatic.
You claimed my pursuit of higher values would cause me and people like me to get cut down and isolated, and also the Left likes us to do this because it makes us weak. I’m just pointing out that this hasn’t been true so far and isn’t likely to change anytime soon. Literally nothing you’re saying about my position matches reality.
Maybe you’ll be proven right at some point, but I’m not optimistic about your chances.
I never redefined it because I never defined it in the first place, you did
The entire conversation happened because you couldn't accept a basic definition for it, and kept needing other ones like " tribal substitute for informed judgement" to make it jive with whatever problem you had with it is.
But its okay, when all you do is say "nu uh, that's wrong, here is my utopia instead" you always sound super wise.
You’re being over-dramatic.
We’ve remained unflinching in our conviction and unwavering in the face of the cultural conquest. ... we’ll be the last ones standing at the end to pick up the pieces just like we always are.
I mean, you started it my guy.
cause me and people like me to get cut down and isolate
I said it made people easy to isolate and cut down. You may be an unflinching bulwark of perfection, but those you preach to likely are not. Yet you are leading them to be weakness trying to reach your example, while there are predators around happy to eat those larvae if they pop their heads out.
Pursue your higher ideals, but remember you live in reality while doing it. And when you preach it, you are taking responsibility for others who listen to you.
I’m just pointing out that this hasn’t been true so far and isn’t likely to change anytime soon.
You can think this is because of your superiority. I can think this is because you are so little of a threat to anyone that the powers that be don't even care about your existence yet, as there are bigger fish to fry.
The entire conversation happened because you couldn't accept a basic definition for it, and kept needing other ones like " tribal substitute for informed judgement" to make it jive with whatever problem you had with it is.
That doesn’t make sense.That’s not a definition.
I mean, you started it my guy.
Your “cut down and isolated” comment was before this.
And when you preach it, you are taking responsibility for others who listen to you.
This is wrong. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions. I don’t want to open this can of worms though.
You can think this is because of your superiority. I can think this is because you are so little of a threat to anyone that the powers that be don't even care about your existence yet, as there are bigger fish to fry.
There you go again, making claims about me when you don’t even know me.
Deliberately being obtuse to avoid having to confront a point beyond "nu uh" is not making one. If this is the best you got after 30 years, then its even more laughable how sanctimonious you are.
I made no prescriptive judgement of it being good or moral. I said it was basic. As in, it didn't need you to redefine it multiple times to describe what it was. It was a natural concept that humans naturally understood without needing to learn, and trying to fancy it up only makes you seem like you have an agenda.
That's a really huffing your own farts way of saying "some of you may die, but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make." I guess when you consider yourself so smart and full of aged wisdom, the suffering and misery of others means nothing to you. As long as you get to look back and say "I never compromised!" the infinite graves are all justified.
I've also been in this "culture war" for decades, you aren't special in that regard.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. I never redefined it because I never defined it in the first place, you did. I just said it seems like a substitute for higher values.
You’re being over-dramatic.
You claimed my pursuit of higher values would cause me and people like me to get cut down and isolated, and also the Left likes us to do this because it makes us weak. I’m just pointing out that this hasn’t been true so far and isn’t likely to change anytime soon. Literally nothing you’re saying about my position matches reality.
Maybe you’ll be proven right at some point, but I’m not optimistic about your chances.
The entire conversation happened because you couldn't accept a basic definition for it, and kept needing other ones like " tribal substitute for informed judgement" to make it jive with whatever problem you had with it is.
But its okay, when all you do is say "nu uh, that's wrong, here is my utopia instead" you always sound super wise.
I mean, you started it my guy.
I said it made people easy to isolate and cut down. You may be an unflinching bulwark of perfection, but those you preach to likely are not. Yet you are leading them to be weakness trying to reach your example, while there are predators around happy to eat those larvae if they pop their heads out.
Pursue your higher ideals, but remember you live in reality while doing it. And when you preach it, you are taking responsibility for others who listen to you.
You can think this is because of your superiority. I can think this is because you are so little of a threat to anyone that the powers that be don't even care about your existence yet, as there are bigger fish to fry.
That doesn’t make sense.That’s not a definition.
Your “cut down and isolated” comment was before this.
This is wrong. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions. I don’t want to open this can of worms though.
There you go again, making claims about me when you don’t even know me.
I’ve made my point. I’m out. Have a good night.
Deliberately being obtuse to avoid having to confront a point beyond "nu uh" is not making one. If this is the best you got after 30 years, then its even more laughable how sanctimonious you are.
Have a good one my guy.