Oh. You're one of those people. That was never the fucking claim, they lied about everything, and even the "protects against hospitalization/death" argument is falling apart. I love that language, too; "hospitalization and death," when they trot that out they're admitting it doesn't vaccinate at all.
Is it that rare? Our government spent the latter half of 2021 saying that people should get vaccinated because even after protection against infection wears off, it still provides very good protection against hospitalization and death. Which seemed to be true for delta.
Regardless of semantic discussions of what is or isn't a vaccine.
Again, I don't even believe that; vaccinated people are being hospitalized at at least near the same rate, and it's been rising. There's often already more vaccinated people hospitalized than non-vaxxed although, yes, not per capita...yet, in most places.
Why is it rising though? If it has no effect at all on hos/death, which is what some people claim but which you have only suggested might be the case, you'd have seen the same thing in late 2021. But all the statistics I reviewed showed otherwise. Of course, they could in theory be fraudulent, but I doubt it. It's the spin on the numbers where the lies can hide, or what numbers they provide, rather than the numbers themselves.
Now, what is the per capita hospitalization that you would expect from vaccinated vs. not, considering that most people who did not take the vaccine are young and healthy, and most will have gotten superior natural immunity anyway? The irony is that if only 60+ people had been vaccinated, you'd see that nearly all deaths would come from the vaccinated camp.
For example, if you get your fourth booserino and keel over with the needle literally in your arm, you're unvaxxed, since it hasn't been two weeks yet.
The information I reviewed, back when I gave the slightest damn about Covid, broke things down by 0 to 3 doses.
The establishment is always doing something wrong
Something? Many things. The question is: what things, because the mere fact of doing many things wrong, does not establish that any given thing is wrong. Just because the establishment lies, doesn't mean that say the Moon Landing was faked.
and we've already seen them do wrong about so many things surrounding the vaccine (data, mandates, studies, claims), I'd be absolutely shocked if they weren't also doing wrong with the vaccine itself.
I can almost guarantee you that they are. But it's probably not "the vaccine is poison", but more relatively mild shenanigans. That is to be expected.
...most people who did not take the vaccine are young and healthy, and most will have gotten superior natural immunity anyway? The irony is that if only 60+ people had been vaccinated, you'd see that nearly all deaths would come from the vaccinated camp.
But it wasn't only 60+ people who were vaccinated, and you wouldn't be seeing deaths in these numbers if the vaccine worked. If everyone 60+ was vaccinated, and the vaccine worked almost perfectly, you should see basically zero hospitalizations. As for natural immunity, considering the vulnerable are still being hospitalized even if they're vaccinated, perhaps they should have taken their chance naturally.
For example, if you get your fourth booserino and keel over with the needle literally in your arm, you're unvaxxed, since it hasn't been two weeks yet.
The information I reviewed, back when I gave the slightest damn about Covid, broke things down by 0 to 3 doses.
I wasn't trying to be specific, it was just an example. Point is, you're not considered vaccinated if you got vaccinated within two weeks, or if your "protection" has worn off. So you could have been jabbed 1, 2, 3, or 4 times, and yet still be considered unvaxxed for statistical purposes. That was my point.
But it's probably not "the vaccine is poison", but more relatively mild shenanigans.
As I said in another comment, compared to other vaccines, this one absolutely is poison. Whether it's as bad as some people fear remains to be seen, but this vaccine is an absolute disaster - and deadly and dangerous - compared to past vaccines.
But it wasn't only 60+ people who were vaccinated, and you wouldn't be seeing deaths in these numbers if the vaccine worked. If everyone 60+ was vaccinated, and the vaccine worked almost perfectly, you should see basically zero hospitalizations.
If. But it doesn't work perfectly (as I think no vaccine works perfectly). Even if it worked 90%, and 100% of those younger were vaccinated, this is what we would see.
As for natural immunity, considering the vulnerable are still being hospitalized even if they're vaccinated, perhaps they should have taken their chance naturally.
But why? I know it's a meme that "it definitely would have been worse if I hadn't been vaccinated", but if you are old and vulnerable, you'd try to limit your risk as much as possible. If it mitigates your risk, it's worth doing.
I wasn't trying to be specific, it was just an example. Point is, you're not considered vaccinated if you got vaccinated within two weeks, or if your "protection" has worn off. So you could have been jabbed 1, 2, 3, or 4 times, and yet still be considered unvaxxed for statistical purposes. That was my point.
I think that if it is broken down by 0-3, and you got your third one within the past two weeks, you will be noted down as two. It would be pretty strange for all your vaccines to be invalidated for two weeks.
I'm sure that in some jurisdictions, there were shenanigans. But one should not assume that these were necessarily universal. They were not in the documents that I reviewed.
As I said in another comment, compared to other vaccines, this one absolutely is poison. Whether it's as bad as some people fear remains to be seen, but this vaccine is an absolute disaster - and deadly and dangerous - compared to past vaccines.
Should we compare it to 'past vaccines', when those are different diseases, or should we compare it to 'no vaccine' - as that is the actual alternative? There is no such thing as a free lunch. It seems hard for me to justify testing a vaccine for years for ever more remote dangers, as millions of people die from a virus. Vaccines should be approved, or not, based on the amount of harm that they do vs. the amount that they prevent.
I fully get the point regarding long-term risks though. Still, a 90-year-old with a 10%+ chance of dying of Covid will likely want to take it... voluntarily. Is there a justification for denying him the vaccine?
I think that if it is broken down by 0-3, and you got your third one within the past two weeks, you will be noted down as two. It would be pretty strange for all your vaccines to be invalidated for two weeks.
Is it that rare? Our government spent the latter half of 2021 saying that people should get vaccinated because even after protection against infection wears off, it still provides very good protection against hospitalization and death. Which seemed to be true for delta.
Regardless of semantic discussions of what is or isn't a vaccine.
Why is it rising though? If it has no effect at all on hos/death, which is what some people claim but which you have only suggested might be the case, you'd have seen the same thing in late 2021. But all the statistics I reviewed showed otherwise. Of course, they could in theory be fraudulent, but I doubt it. It's the spin on the numbers where the lies can hide, or what numbers they provide, rather than the numbers themselves.
Now, what is the per capita hospitalization that you would expect from vaccinated vs. not, considering that most people who did not take the vaccine are young and healthy, and most will have gotten superior natural immunity anyway? The irony is that if only 60+ people had been vaccinated, you'd see that nearly all deaths would come from the vaccinated camp.
The information I reviewed, back when I gave the slightest damn about Covid, broke things down by 0 to 3 doses.
Something? Many things. The question is: what things, because the mere fact of doing many things wrong, does not establish that any given thing is wrong. Just because the establishment lies, doesn't mean that say the Moon Landing was faked.
I can almost guarantee you that they are. But it's probably not "the vaccine is poison", but more relatively mild shenanigans. That is to be expected.
But it wasn't only 60+ people who were vaccinated, and you wouldn't be seeing deaths in these numbers if the vaccine worked. If everyone 60+ was vaccinated, and the vaccine worked almost perfectly, you should see basically zero hospitalizations. As for natural immunity, considering the vulnerable are still being hospitalized even if they're vaccinated, perhaps they should have taken their chance naturally.
I wasn't trying to be specific, it was just an example. Point is, you're not considered vaccinated if you got vaccinated within two weeks, or if your "protection" has worn off. So you could have been jabbed 1, 2, 3, or 4 times, and yet still be considered unvaxxed for statistical purposes. That was my point.
As I said in another comment, compared to other vaccines, this one absolutely is poison. Whether it's as bad as some people fear remains to be seen, but this vaccine is an absolute disaster - and deadly and dangerous - compared to past vaccines.
If. But it doesn't work perfectly (as I think no vaccine works perfectly). Even if it worked 90%, and 100% of those younger were vaccinated, this is what we would see.
But why? I know it's a meme that "it definitely would have been worse if I hadn't been vaccinated", but if you are old and vulnerable, you'd try to limit your risk as much as possible. If it mitigates your risk, it's worth doing.
I think that if it is broken down by 0-3, and you got your third one within the past two weeks, you will be noted down as two. It would be pretty strange for all your vaccines to be invalidated for two weeks.
I'm sure that in some jurisdictions, there were shenanigans. But one should not assume that these were necessarily universal. They were not in the documents that I reviewed.
Should we compare it to 'past vaccines', when those are different diseases, or should we compare it to 'no vaccine' - as that is the actual alternative? There is no such thing as a free lunch. It seems hard for me to justify testing a vaccine for years for ever more remote dangers, as millions of people die from a virus. Vaccines should be approved, or not, based on the amount of harm that they do vs. the amount that they prevent.
I fully get the point regarding long-term risks though. Still, a 90-year-old with a 10%+ chance of dying of Covid will likely want to take it... voluntarily. Is there a justification for denying him the vaccine?
Welcome to statistics.
Obviously, statistics are lies - it's just that the ones I saw didn't engage in what he asserted.