The problem is that there actually are people who think that 14-year-olds raped by their brothers should be forced to give birth (and I'm sure there are some people who are now preparing their THE BABY IS INNOCENT retort).
Of course the pro-choice side is going to dishonestly spin that to push its agenda. I'm pro-choice myself, so it's not about tribalism for me, but the dishonesty of my side is truly incredible. I literally never see them make a good argument.
I don’t want to jump in and be the straw man, but I’ll bite:
The baby is innocent. One crime does not allow another to be committed. Abortion is fundamentally murder, and it’s becoming more and more the “leftists” version of the Eucharist, but a satanic inversion of it (where the Eucharist is “this is my body, given up for you” abortion is “this is your body, given up for me”).
Abortion is a deep, deep societal evil and its acceptance is one of the reasons why we have many problems. When life can be denied for convenience, dressed up as healthcare, it’s no wonder we have issues.
Let's say that you're absolutely correct about everything. Even from your own POV, making that argument is a political loser, because it enables the kind of strawmen that the pro-choice fanatics use to oppose any restrictions on abortion.
If I accepted that there is a 'baby' from the moment of conception, I may agree to ban abortions for convenience, but obviously, a rape victim did not ask to get pregnant. It's an act of wanton cruelty to force such a thing on that victim, based on what is ultimately a philosophical matter that cannot be proven one way or the other.
Arguments are only relevant to debate among a people with a shared cultural framework, and culture is downstream from law. Progressives have been winning for many decades now by simply imposing their will and the populace accepts it later. This is a war.
The only debate the average normie should see is between ourguy and a carefully selected crazy progressive shouting about how much fun it is to murder babies. It's cruel that the average person is currently burdened with constant anxiety over complex geopolitical events and philosophical questions far beyond them, when they should be almost entirely focused on the concerns of their daily lives and families.
The problem is that there actually are people who think that 14-year-olds raped by their brothers should be forced to give birth (and I'm sure there are some people who are now preparing their THE BABY IS INNOCENT retort).
Of course the pro-choice side is going to dishonestly spin that to push its agenda. I'm pro-choice myself, so it's not about tribalism for me, but the dishonesty of my side is truly incredible. I literally never see them make a good argument.
I don’t want to jump in and be the straw man, but I’ll bite:
The baby is innocent. One crime does not allow another to be committed. Abortion is fundamentally murder, and it’s becoming more and more the “leftists” version of the Eucharist, but a satanic inversion of it (where the Eucharist is “this is my body, given up for you” abortion is “this is your body, given up for me”).
Abortion is a deep, deep societal evil and its acceptance is one of the reasons why we have many problems. When life can be denied for convenience, dressed up as healthcare, it’s no wonder we have issues.
Let's say that you're absolutely correct about everything. Even from your own POV, making that argument is a political loser, because it enables the kind of strawmen that the pro-choice fanatics use to oppose any restrictions on abortion.
If I accepted that there is a 'baby' from the moment of conception, I may agree to ban abortions for convenience, but obviously, a rape victim did not ask to get pregnant. It's an act of wanton cruelty to force such a thing on that victim, based on what is ultimately a philosophical matter that cannot be proven one way or the other.
Arguments are only relevant to debate among a people with a shared cultural framework, and culture is downstream from law. Progressives have been winning for many decades now by simply imposing their will and the populace accepts it later. This is a war.
The only debate the average normie should see is between ourguy and a carefully selected crazy progressive shouting about how much fun it is to murder babies. It's cruel that the average person is currently burdened with constant anxiety over complex geopolitical events and philosophical questions far beyond them, when they should be almost entirely focused on the concerns of their daily lives and families.