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Judge blocks Indiana abortion ban on religious freedom grounds | r/atheism goes wild - murder laws can be revoked on the same flimsy 'logic' this judge used because some religions ALLOW certain cases of murder. (archive.ph)
posted 3 years ago by Skywise 3 years ago by Skywise +61 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I wouldn't say it's been spun. It just took time for the contradiction of having a state religion within a liberal society to be resolved.

Agreed, but does 'freedom of religion' necessitate a 'liberal society'? Its germs can be found even in Augustine. Toleration was also fairly common in the post-Reformation era. This is freedom of conscience, and in some cases even freedom of religion, but without the religion having the same legal standing.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Agreed, but does 'freedom of religion' necessitate a 'liberal society'?

No, but liberal ideology creates a pressure point for religious freedom.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I'd say religious freedom preceded liberal society. Putting all ideologies - except the ones opposed to liberalism - on an equal footing is the result of liberal society.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You can have non-liberal reasons for religious freedom, such as a pragmatic desire to keep the peace.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

As you say, and many did. Some also believed that it was contrary to the Christian principle of charity, and that coercing consciences would not bring people to heaven.

Though I always found the argument by a Spanish bishop that the moriscos and conversos would probably be sincere Christians in the 4th generation at the very latest to be more persuasive.

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