Back on the general topic: hate on loli art all you want. Its totally understandable to find it detestable. But it should not be illegal.
It's interesting that expression of disgust with loli always gets interpreted with overtones of censorship. That's somewhat natural though. The more soft cultural power a given viewpoint exercises, the more likely it leads to some type of structural change.
In the case of lolicon I think its fetishists - I'm saying this generally, not saying you're one of them - need to realize the need for a détente with the rest of society.
The problem is that unlike other noxious subcultures, pr0n can't be defended prima facie with freedom of speech. The widespread availability of hardcore porn, and even porn itself, is relatively recent and the only reason it's tolerated isn't because of some kind of principled free speech movement - obscenity laws have been ruled constitutional in the US since the dawn of the country as smut has no meaningful purpose. Its main function is facilitating an activity that anyone can accomplish with their imagination and a free hand and the reason it's legal is simply because because the majority of the population is capable of enjoying heterosexual sex. On the other hand, the majority does not enjoy naked cartoon prepubescent children.
So lolicon can exist within their own little subcultures but when loli weebs throw fits about this or that company censoring them, at some point they will be outnumbered by the number of people who become aware enough to be annoyed by their existence. And they don't have any of the natural protections and failsafes that other groups have.
I agree that making lolicon illegal, using de jure force, is another step on the road to censorship of protected free speech. But culturally, the best it can hope for is that most people don't notice its existence.
There are many demented groups of people that hang around in those circles that prey on and groom kids. Conversely, there are far right anime circles as well. Its worth noting no such trans grooming exists on any noticeable scale in Japan that I've seen (I speak Japanese and tend to seek out all sorts of anime fan communities).
It would be fascinating to learn more about anime communities in Japan, but in America the anime scene - not passive anime viewers, but the people who participate in anime fan events - seems to be a gaggle of ugly people diddling each other.
It's interesting that expression of disgust with loli always gets interpreted with overtones of censorship.
Probably because most of the time if you continue the conversation, the person going out of their way to virtue signal their disgust about it tends to admit they want it banned or made illegal.
That being said, I dont necessarily disagree with most of what you say. I'm not going to be over here advocating for it to be able to be posted everywhere. It should be only in underground, out of the way places where one isn't going to accidentally run into it. And I think its perfectly fine that even in places where it is allowed, it is usually something you have to opt into manually.
But in the current environment where seemingly it is one of the hot things for the giant payment processors to virtue signal over and try to snuff out, it's hard for me not to get annoyed over any internet activism type shit crusading against it. Because once you get rid of something like that which is on the razor's edge of what is allowed, you create a new edge and that is what they will go after next. That, and I hate cultural imperialist bullshit like this where some giant American mega corp forces their shit on Japan.
It's interesting that expression of disgust with loli always gets interpreted with overtones of censorship. That's somewhat natural though. The more soft cultural power a given viewpoint exercises, the more likely it leads to some type of structural change.
In the case of lolicon I think its fetishists - I'm saying this generally, not saying you're one of them - need to realize the need for a détente with the rest of society.
The problem is that unlike other noxious subcultures, pr0n can't be defended prima facie with freedom of speech. The widespread availability of hardcore porn, and even porn itself, is relatively recent and the only reason it's tolerated isn't because of some kind of principled free speech movement - obscenity laws have been ruled constitutional in the US since the dawn of the country as smut has no meaningful purpose. Its main function is facilitating an activity that anyone can accomplish with their imagination and a free hand and the reason it's legal is simply because because the majority of the population is capable of enjoying heterosexual sex. On the other hand, the majority does not enjoy naked cartoon prepubescent children.
So lolicon can exist within their own little subcultures but when loli weebs throw fits about this or that company censoring them, at some point they will be outnumbered by the number of people who become aware enough to be annoyed by their existence. And they don't have any of the natural protections and failsafes that other groups have.
I agree that making lolicon illegal, using de jure force, is another step on the road to censorship of protected free speech. But culturally, the best it can hope for is that most people don't notice its existence.
It would be fascinating to learn more about anime communities in Japan, but in America the anime scene - not passive anime viewers, but the people who participate in anime fan events - seems to be a gaggle of ugly people diddling each other.
Probably because most of the time if you continue the conversation, the person going out of their way to virtue signal their disgust about it tends to admit they want it banned or made illegal.
That being said, I dont necessarily disagree with most of what you say. I'm not going to be over here advocating for it to be able to be posted everywhere. It should be only in underground, out of the way places where one isn't going to accidentally run into it. And I think its perfectly fine that even in places where it is allowed, it is usually something you have to opt into manually.
But in the current environment where seemingly it is one of the hot things for the giant payment processors to virtue signal over and try to snuff out, it's hard for me not to get annoyed over any internet activism type shit crusading against it. Because once you get rid of something like that which is on the razor's edge of what is allowed, you create a new edge and that is what they will go after next. That, and I hate cultural imperialist bullshit like this where some giant American mega corp forces their shit on Japan.
I can't really disagree with that either. I just like to bring up certain facts, even if the response is predictable