The Chinese communist take over was hardly elites, in fact the elites fucked up so hard is how they took over
Stalin was not an elite, he was a ruthless gangster that just knew how to play the long game
The elites in Vietnam lost in fact an entire superpower lost to insurgents, and actually a good thing they did too since they then went on to take out the Khmer Rouge who were supposed by the elites when they wouldn't stop fucking with their people.
This all depends on what you deem 'elites' as I wouldn't deem any of these guys elites, they weren't raised in a guilded cage or part of an international community before their rise to power.
Before you guys start a semantic argument, I'll just point out that ArchRespawnsAgain was implying that you eventually need some elites and their machinations supporting the revolution. It's not important that the bulldog (Stalin) be a natural born feted elite himself.
It's one of the massive failures within the Western governments and institutions, they don't believe that someone can at a ground level stand up to them and hurt them, that it takes a Trump or an Elon to do it, forgetting that while they are important they would throw their resources behind an upstart if they showed success. (Like France during the American revolution)
The Chinese communist take over was hardly elites, in fact the elites fucked up so hard is how they took over
Stalin was not an elite, he was a ruthless gangster that just knew how to play the long game
The elites in Vietnam lost in fact an entire superpower lost to insurgents, and actually a good thing they did too since they then went on to take out the Khmer Rouge who were supposed by the elites when they wouldn't stop fucking with their people.
This all depends on what you deem 'elites' as I wouldn't deem any of these guys elites, they weren't raised in a guilded cage or part of an international community before their rise to power.
Before you guys start a semantic argument, I'll just point out that ArchRespawnsAgain was implying that you eventually need some elites and their machinations supporting the revolution. It's not important that the bulldog (Stalin) be a natural born feted elite himself.
That is true but usually comes when it's shown that the insurgent side is gaining ground.
I'd like to add this to my point
It's one of the massive failures within the Western governments and institutions, they don't believe that someone can at a ground level stand up to them and hurt them, that it takes a Trump or an Elon to do it, forgetting that while they are important they would throw their resources behind an upstart if they showed success. (Like France during the American revolution)