Kari Lake : "Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist"
(archive.ph)
You're viewing a single comment thread. View all comments, or full comment thread.
Comments (59)
sorted by:
Your characterisation of physical violence here seems to me to be overly specific, and deliberately so, in order to defend your initial position that is flawed. Of course "unarmed physical murder" is more commonly performed by men. Women, as a general rule, simply aren't strong enough to physically murder someone without being armed. They can and do, of course, use weapons to murder men, and physically harm men in other ways (throwing things is a classic one), and often when the man is unable to defend themselves (e.g. unconscious). Plenty of studies show that rates of domestic physical violence perpetrated by women is as high as that of men. Feminists, however, have deliberately hidden this evidence from view as it is doesn't agree with this narrative.
I'd say it's you is going too far by going up with specific scenarios to try to salvage a definition of certain behaviours that in reality isn't a very useful definition. It's actually a tactic used by feminists a lot. When anyone points out to a feminist that domestic violence is perpetrated at equal rates by men and women, they pivot to physical violence leading to "severe harm" instead; which still does tend to be inflicted more commonly on women by men, but mainly because men are physically stronger than women, not because women don't display physically violent behaviour.
I see what you're both saying, I don't think Giz is wrong, particularly.
You're absolutely correct, women tend to need a weapon to stand a viable chance of inflicting terminal damage on a man. That, as a corollary, tends to indicate a higher level of premeditation, does it not? Got to have a weapon handy if you're going to do the deed, as a woman, no?
Yes, it's deliberate, I'm making the most extreme example I can think of to make my point clear so that the argument is understandable.
If I try to explain gravity by saying, "If I let a ball go, it doesn't fly to the left at a constant velocity, it accelerates down", that's not me making a weak argument for gravity, thus gravity isn't a valid concept. I'm trying to use an analogy to explain part of gravity.
I'll make my point even more simple.
Just because you say "hence" doesn't mean there's an actual connection between what comes before your "hence" and what comes after.
You've made exactly 0% headway into explaining in any way, how your "toxic" behaviors can, or should, be tied to intrinsically male or female behavior. In fact, when given the opportunity to even describe typically male or female behavior, you dropped the ball, really, really, badly. You gave what you thought were iron-clad examples, and they have been dismantled by several people.
That's "back to the drawing board" time. Don't get mad, don't get petulant. Instead, examine your assumptions. Where did you learn what you thought you knew about spousal abuse and such?