Why is your counter to women having standards high enough for 10% of men to eclipse, that men have no standards at all? That's quite the non-sequitur, seeing as even if men had no standards, only 10% of them would meet the standards of the women and the original problem still holds.

I'm not blaming men for having standards. I'm blaming them for having low standards. If men did not follow that worm between their legs, this whole issue would not even arise.

He'd have better luck approaching 2 girls in a day, let alone 10, let alone swiping on 100.

No one who's insecure approaches 730 girls in a year.

And those 80% all want the top 20% of men, and won't settle for less. Men, if having had dated a top tier woman.

I mean, 100% of men want a supermodel. But they do settle, as do women.

It also doesn't show in the numbers that men's preferences really affect normalized distribution of attractiveness. Why do you keep ignoring that factor, and instead focus on the motte-and-bailey of "preferences"?

I think all that is quite dubious, but even if it were true, most men aren't exactly in great shape. And the fact that (you say) they can hope to get a date with the best may dissuade them from 'settling'.

And therein lies the problem. If they can't get the best that they now reason they could get via a match on Tinder, then they won't settle for less. It's called "alpha-widowing".

I would not be surprised if this were a phenomenon, though I don't think it's as widespread as you claim. This may well be one of the reasons why marriages today do not succeed as often, since cohabitation and premarital relation are inversely correlated with marital success.

I won't ask where you live, but I would like to live there. God damn are bitches fat here.

Here as well, but less fat than the men, certanly on average, almost always in relationships.

It's odd enough to see a man date out of his league here that they made a movie about it, if that tells you anything. It's called "She's Out Of My League".

Here's why this is wrong: you consider 'league' to be just height, hair and looks. In reality, these probably matter least, except perhaps on Tinder. That is why the groteqsue beasts I mentioned earlier can get decent women.

You hold womanly opinions on abortion and dating. Also, I make extreme predictions online because who gives a shit if I'm wrong, we're both faggots on a message board. So you're a woman.

LOL. The funny thing is that women aren't that much more in favor of abortion than men. Dating, I don't know. Most important thing for me is looks. That's not womanly at all (though you may think it is).

Right, so its action oriented pictures that give off an air of confidence coupled with a good line of back-and-forth messaging. Not many average to below-average men can pull that off. The few that do are very rare.

But here I am confused. 'Average' and 'below-average' in what respect? Looks? I don't think it's related. Confidence? I assume they would find it much easier to message a girl than to come up with good lines in real life. I suspect all of this is just a problem of their own making.

Lets not get pedantic, now. A millionaire who dropped a quarter between the couch cushions has also lost money, right? Its a game of ratios vs outright rejections, and you know that.

Of course more attractive people have better ratios. But you made it sound like the 'good ones' never get rejected. I bet most get rejected more often than not. The difference is that they don't let that keep them down. The others pay altogether too much importance to 'rejection'. We're not meant for this world.

Right, and Impy is correct in this regard; men need to stop giving woman a tinker's damn until they themselves buck up, because average men going for fat fucks who think they're the prize is part of the problem. Now, I am speaking as an American, so remember that.

No, I think that problem is the same here. Of course, it's just evolution. Your genes do not care if the one you impregnate is skinny or fat. You may prefer skinny, because she's healthier, but it's no loss to you if she's fat vs. not having a kid.

Almost all of the stuff that you complain about is perfectly explicable in terms of socio-biology, and the mismatch between our environment and the legacy of our evolution.