The problem is the idiotic belief that because Jews share genetic heritage that they’re all the same, believe the same things, have the same values, are friendly with one another, and/or are all collaborating and plotting with one another to take over the world or something.
So race has zero effect on a person whatsoever. It changes nothing about their environment, biological structure, the world they are born into, how they are raised to deal with it. Either race is in fact a complete social construct (aka completely made up and able to be dismantled), or someone being part of a certain group does in fact effect how they believe, value, and act.
That's not even getting into the obvious in-group/out-group dichotomy nor tribalism that come instinctual to humans. Something that has defined the entire course of human history, but in this special case its apparently non-existent.
If race/genetic background/whatever you want to call it has zero effect on a person's life beyond the artificial creation of social structures, then you are implying race is in fact a social construct.
All of that was obvious from the simple first sentence I said, but I'll spell it out for you again with some extra words. You didn't call anything out, you just didn't like your cheap defense (or the second weaker defense of "the unspoken implication I decided you meant is wrong") being called out for being a poor argument.
You can’t name a single insult that I’ve “thrown at you”.
Normally there would no point in continuing this discussion but I feel like I need to point out the absurdity for posterity’s sake.
Another user said:
Is the math wrong though?
In relation to Joe Rogan’s video.
I responded that user:
The math isn’t the problem. The problem is the idiotic belief that because Jews share genetic heritage that they’re all the same, believe the same things, have the same values, are friendly with one another, and/or are all collaborating and plotting with one another to take over the world or something.
And then a minute later updated it to the less wieldy version:
The math is neither wrong, nor a problem. What wrong is the belief underlying the implication being made.
/u/Adamrises responded to the first version of my comment:
So now race is back to a social construct with absolutely zero effects on a single other part of your mental state or life.
Which is clearly a straw-man argument, but when confronted about it, proceeded to complain over the next few comments that I was a coward for editing it and the only reason his response looked bad was because I edited it. So I posted both versions and asked u/Adamrises to explain himself, at which point he just doubled down on the same straw-man argument as before.
Why is u/Adamrises comment a straw-man, you ask? Well, let’s break it down:
The problem is the idiotic belief that because Jews share genetic heritage
that they’re all the same
Does this follow from race? No.
believe the same things
Does this? No.
have the same values
Does this? No.
are friendly with one another
This? No.
and/or are all collaborating and plotting with one another
Lastly, does this? No.
These things clearly have no connection to race or genetics, which is why it’s an idiotic belief that they do.
These are the “beliefs underlying the implication” that Joe Rogan having so many Jews on his show is a bad thing, or that there’s a larger “problem” of Jews having outsized influence in the USA.
This being the case, why would u/Adamrises make the following comments accusing me of claiming race was a social construct?
So now race is back to a social construct with absolutely zero effects on a single other part of your mental state or life.
And:
So race has zero effect on a person whatsoever.
These statements are a complete non-sequitur to my point where I clearly list a bunch of things that have nothing to do with race, yet u//Adamrises doubles down on this straw-man that presupposes a false dichotomy between everything being related to race or nothing being related to race, completely ignoring what I actually said… TWICE.
I can understand making this mistake once, but ignoring what I said and making up some ridiculous straw-man TWICE after whining, deflecting and otherwise maintaining a snarky attitude made it clear to me that u/Adamrises is not operating in good faith.
Damn homie, you really are mad that I called your original comment retarded. I do like this part though:
updated it to the less wieldy version
That's a very PR way of saying "removed any actual substance and replaced it with an incredibly vague 'the implication' so that way I have no actual argument to attack."
You can’t name a single insult that I’ve “thrown at you”.
You’re just butthurt in general it seems
A weak one, but hey you are the one who continues to be so bad at arguments you tried "not one single time" and forgot to check if you actually had.
the only reason his response looked bad was because I edited it
It didn't look bad, it simply ceased to make sense. Its pretty faggy to say "the upvotes speak for themselves" about how bad it looks but since you are trying to pull a "for posterity's sake" and speak as if assembling a cancel doc we are on a pretty faggy level now.
Don't worry, no one is reading this gay shit anymore. Its just us homie.
completely ignoring what I actually said
You said nothing to respond to, other than flinging freshman level debate club terms. That's why I found the edit so cowardly. Because it was the only time you said anything of substance. Of course you needed to edit that down to a very vague "the implication" to rectify that mistake.
Of course when I do bring forth my argument, you immediately pull out your debate club handbook, call it bad faith and then get pissy when I insult you back.
So race has zero effect on a person whatsoever. It changes nothing about their environment, biological structure, the world they are born into, how they are raised to deal with it. Either race is in fact a complete social construct (aka completely made up and able to be dismantled), or someone being part of a certain group does in fact effect how they believe, value, and act.
That's not even getting into the obvious in-group/out-group dichotomy nor tribalism that come instinctual to humans. Something that has defined the entire course of human history, but in this special case its apparently non-existent.
If race/genetic background/whatever you want to call it has zero effect on a person's life beyond the artificial creation of social structures, then you are implying race is in fact a social construct.
All of that was obvious from the simple first sentence I said, but I'll spell it out for you again with some extra words. You didn't call anything out, you just didn't like your cheap defense (or the second weaker defense of "the unspoken implication I decided you meant is wrong") being called out for being a poor argument.
I can’t facepalm hard enough.
I think we’re done here. You clearly have no intention of engaging in good faith. This was a waste of time.
Throws every accusation, insult and grade school debate club tactic at me he can manage, then accuses me of being in bad faith.
How amusing, truly.
You can’t name a single insult that I’ve “thrown at you”.
Normally there would no point in continuing this discussion but I feel like I need to point out the absurdity for posterity’s sake.
Another user said:
In relation to Joe Rogan’s video.
I responded that user:
And then a minute later updated it to the less wieldy version:
/u/Adamrises responded to the first version of my comment:
Which is clearly a straw-man argument, but when confronted about it, proceeded to complain over the next few comments that I was a coward for editing it and the only reason his response looked bad was because I edited it. So I posted both versions and asked u/Adamrises to explain himself, at which point he just doubled down on the same straw-man argument as before.
Why is u/Adamrises comment a straw-man, you ask? Well, let’s break it down:
Does this follow from race? No.
Does this? No.
Does this? No.
This? No.
Lastly, does this? No.
These things clearly have no connection to race or genetics, which is why it’s an idiotic belief that they do.
These are the “beliefs underlying the implication” that Joe Rogan having so many Jews on his show is a bad thing, or that there’s a larger “problem” of Jews having outsized influence in the USA.
This being the case, why would u/Adamrises make the following comments accusing me of claiming race was a social construct?
And:
These statements are a complete non-sequitur to my point where I clearly list a bunch of things that have nothing to do with race, yet u//Adamrises doubles down on this straw-man that presupposes a false dichotomy between everything being related to race or nothing being related to race, completely ignoring what I actually said… TWICE.
I can understand making this mistake once, but ignoring what I said and making up some ridiculous straw-man TWICE after whining, deflecting and otherwise maintaining a snarky attitude made it clear to me that u/Adamrises is not operating in good faith.
Damn homie, you really are mad that I called your original comment retarded. I do like this part though:
That's a very PR way of saying "removed any actual substance and replaced it with an incredibly vague 'the implication' so that way I have no actual argument to attack."
A weak one, but hey you are the one who continues to be so bad at arguments you tried "not one single time" and forgot to check if you actually had.
It didn't look bad, it simply ceased to make sense. Its pretty faggy to say "the upvotes speak for themselves" about how bad it looks but since you are trying to pull a "for posterity's sake" and speak as if assembling a cancel doc we are on a pretty faggy level now.
Don't worry, no one is reading this gay shit anymore. Its just us homie.
You said nothing to respond to, other than flinging freshman level debate club terms. That's why I found the edit so cowardly. Because it was the only time you said anything of substance. Of course you needed to edit that down to a very vague "the implication" to rectify that mistake.
Of course when I do bring forth my argument, you immediately pull out your debate club handbook, call it bad faith and then get pissy when I insult you back.