The United States gave the UK ridiculously generous terms on all that WW2 aid, selling it to the UK at the end of the war with a 90% discount, and then giving it a far-below-market 2% loan to actually pay it off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_loan
Excuse me? WW2 in Europe wasn't America's fight. We didn't create and foster Hitler, all the euros did. Euros created him, created the conditions for his rise, appeased and empowered him, and the finally Stalin teamed up with him so he would launch WW2.
So don't pretend that Hitler was an "America problem" and we somehow didn't carry our weight. You are welcome for our generosity, in both treasure AND blood.
How can you purport to understand geopolitics when you make such comments? Obviously, WW2 was America's fight. If Hitler had been able to defeat the UK and the USSR, that would be a major world hegemon capable of challenging the US on its own turf.
Euros created him, created the conditions for his rise, appeased and empowered him
'Scuse me, remind me who refused to ratify the Anglo-American guarantees for French security?
So don't pretend that Hitler was an "America problem" and we somehow didn't carry our weight. You are welcome for our generosity, in both treasure AND blood.
You haven't done a thing for me. Yet I didn't. I just said that it was a great trade for you to give money and weapons to the UK and the USSR so that Brits and Russians would die rather than Americans. Smart politics, sure. But don't pretend that it was some sort of grand moral gesture.
WW2 was America's fight. If Hitler had been able to defeat the UK and the USSR, that would be a major world hegemon capable of challenging the US on its own turf.
No, it wasn't. Also fyi people who say "obviously" are admitting they know they're full of shit and can't back up their claims, that's why they say "obviously" to excuse themselves from having to consider it.
The US was not a "hegemon" before WW2, it was forced to become one as a result of WW2 because you euros couldn't behave and just make money like a good American. The US didn't give a shit if Hitler conquered Europe. Hitler posed no threat the the United States, hence why the American public was isolationist and would never have joined WW2 but for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
'Scuse me, remind me who refused to ratify the Anglo-American guarantees for French security?
I don't know what you're talking about. This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guarantee_(proposed) Yeah, the United States didn't agree to guarantee France, didn't owe France anything, and even if the US guaranteed France, Hitler would not have given the slightest shit. AND any guarantee would have been nullified by the fact that FRANCE was the aggressor, not Germany. Germany only invaded Poland. The UK and France DOWd Germany and it had no choice but to defend itself. Security guarantees never hold when the protected country starts the war.
You claim to wish that the US wasn't some sort of "hegemon" or "imperial power" but when that was unarguably true before WW2, and the US literally stayed out of everything and euros cluster fucked it, you still try to find fault with the US. It's like you have TDS, but against the US, so ADS.
How can you purport to understand geopolitics when you make such comments? Obviously, WW2 was America's fight. If Hitler had been able to defeat the UK and the USSR, that would be a major world hegemon capable of challenging the US on its own turf.
Yeah, I don't think that was the point. The US didn't create the situation with Hitler, it was just forced to act (in its own interests) because of the incompetence of Europe. It became the US's fight.
A better argument you could put forth is that the US wasn't great on the Hitler-enabling front anyway. He seemed to be a pretty popular figure here before he went off-script and started murdering people.
The United States gave the UK ridiculously generous terms on all that WW2 aid, selling it to the UK at the end of the war with a 90% discount, and then giving it a far-below-market 2% loan to actually pay it off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_loan
Nothing generous about giving money to others so they'll die instead of your men.
Excuse me? WW2 in Europe wasn't America's fight. We didn't create and foster Hitler, all the euros did. Euros created him, created the conditions for his rise, appeased and empowered him, and the finally Stalin teamed up with him so he would launch WW2.
So don't pretend that Hitler was an "America problem" and we somehow didn't carry our weight. You are welcome for our generosity, in both treasure AND blood.
How can you purport to understand geopolitics when you make such comments? Obviously, WW2 was America's fight. If Hitler had been able to defeat the UK and the USSR, that would be a major world hegemon capable of challenging the US on its own turf.
'Scuse me, remind me who refused to ratify the Anglo-American guarantees for French security?
You haven't done a thing for me. Yet I didn't. I just said that it was a great trade for you to give money and weapons to the UK and the USSR so that Brits and Russians would die rather than Americans. Smart politics, sure. But don't pretend that it was some sort of grand moral gesture.
No, it wasn't. Also fyi people who say "obviously" are admitting they know they're full of shit and can't back up their claims, that's why they say "obviously" to excuse themselves from having to consider it.
The US was not a "hegemon" before WW2, it was forced to become one as a result of WW2 because you euros couldn't behave and just make money like a good American. The US didn't give a shit if Hitler conquered Europe. Hitler posed no threat the the United States, hence why the American public was isolationist and would never have joined WW2 but for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
I don't know what you're talking about. This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guarantee_(proposed) Yeah, the United States didn't agree to guarantee France, didn't owe France anything, and even if the US guaranteed France, Hitler would not have given the slightest shit. AND any guarantee would have been nullified by the fact that FRANCE was the aggressor, not Germany. Germany only invaded Poland. The UK and France DOWd Germany and it had no choice but to defend itself. Security guarantees never hold when the protected country starts the war.
You claim to wish that the US wasn't some sort of "hegemon" or "imperial power" but when that was unarguably true before WW2, and the US literally stayed out of everything and euros cluster fucked it, you still try to find fault with the US. It's like you have TDS, but against the US, so ADS.
Yeah, I don't think that was the point. The US didn't create the situation with Hitler, it was just forced to act (in its own interests) because of the incompetence of Europe. It became the US's fight.
A better argument you could put forth is that the US wasn't great on the Hitler-enabling front anyway. He seemed to be a pretty popular figure here before he went off-script and started murdering people.