The coalition you're proposing is the same arrangement as the scorpion crossing the river on the back of a frog. The TERFs will sink you both, because what's in their nature trumps what's in their best interests. They are not rational beings, and treating them like rational beings will not make them into such.
them being targeted by anti free-speech laws will make them more skeptical of such laws in general, for some reasons of self-preservation.
Please see above.
falls short of proving your initial claims.
Once again, the causal link between the destruction of gender norms and the systematic eradication of masculinity as a concept and every positive association with it, and the countless men who seem to be increasingly trying to find an escape from their association with manhood and masculinity is plainly obvious. I invite you to provide an alternative explanation for the troon phenomenon that does as comprehensive a job of explaining the explosion of troonery that has occurred in tandem with the obliteration of traditional gender norms by the very feminists you currently ally yourself with.
Your attempt to defer this responsibility by pointing out the FtM phenomenon does not achieve this. The destruction of traditional gender norms goes both ways, and so do its consequences. These same feminists, with whom you ally yourself, are also responsible for convincing generations of young women and girls that they can be happy and fulfilled while rejecting the femininity that comes naturally to them. When this turns out not to be true, women turn out just as alienated and miserable as men have become because of this same malignant feminist propaganda, and many will react by doubling down on their rejection of traditional gender norms. Once again, the weakened state of these norms, resulting directly from the institutional war that has been waged on them at the feminists' behest, makes this easier for both sexes.
The radfems caused this problem.
On top of that, bringing up the FtM troons when challenged on your support for the TERFs is frankly disijgenuous. The primary focus of the TERFs, and certainly the exclusive focus of the tradcucks on the troon issue is on the MtF side, because of the fundamental, reactionary revulsion both groups share to men invading women's spaces.
I share that revulsion, although mine goes both ways, but I do find it curious that tradcucks only bring up FtM troons when trying to run interference for the role the feminists have played on creating this whole mess.
The coalition you're proposing is the same arrangement as the scorpion crossing the river on the back of a frog. The TERFs will sink you both, because what's in their nature trumps what's in their best interests. They are not rational beings, and treating them like rational beings will not make them into such.
If they're not rational beings, as you assert, all the better to unleash them on the foe.
Please see above.
Even a dog will grow to hate an object with which you hit it. You do not need to be rational, you just need to be sentient. Even under your worst assumptions about GC, this is true and correct.
I invite you to provide an alternative explanation for the troon phenomenon that does as comprehensive a job of explaining the explosion of troonery that has occurred in tandem with the obliteration of traditional gender norms by the very feminists you currently ally yourself with.
I'll remind you that I affirmed that this is in part caused by the destruction of gender norms. It's the rest of your explanation which I criticized as being without evidence and foundation.
Your attempt to defer this responsibility by pointing out the FtM phenomenon does not achieve this. The destruction of traditional gender norms goes both ways, and so do its consequences.
But this refutes your own claim. If it goes both ways, and the FTT is far more common than MTT, then clearly your claim that it is due to "demonization of men" is inapplicable.
These same feminists, with whom you ally yourself, are also responsible for convincing generations of young women and girls that they can be happy and fulfilled while rejecting the femininity that comes naturally to them.
Yes, that is a valid criticism with which I agree. However, the mere fact that feminists have spent decades damaging and undermining society, does not mean that none of them can be useful today when battling even more cancerous feminists.
The primary focus of the TERFs, and certainly the exclusive focus of the tradcucks on the troon issue is on the MtF side, because of the fundamental, reactionary revulsion both groups share to men invading women's spaces.
Obviously. You attack the enemy's weakest spots. And it's working. Public opinion is turning against troonery.
I share that revulsion, although mine goes both ways
As does mine. If anything, I find FTT to be more repellent.
I do find it curious that tradcucks only bring up FtM troons when trying to run interference for the role the feminists have played on creating this whole mess.
This is simple strategy. You cite the cases that are most likely to get people to turn against this absurd fad. "Mentally ill women with their breasts cut off entering men's locker rooms" isn't as viscerally appalling to most people as "men shoving their penises into the women's locker rooms".
My assertion is that feminist propaganda ---> destruction of gender norms --->troonery. You will not solve this problem by allying yourself with the fundamental cause of it, and you are shooting yourself in the foot by doing so. Public opinion may shift against troonery, but it will not die so long as we continue to allow radical feminists to spread their poison and undermine the inextricable link between biology and gender. By siding with them, you enable them to perpetuate their cancer, and by extension perpetuate troonery.
My assertion is that feminist propaganda ---> destruction of gender norms --->troonery
If that was your argument, it certainly wasn't clear. Also, you're ignoring a whole lot of other causes to attribute everything to 'feminist propaganda'.
Public opinion may shift against troonery, but it will not die so long as we continue to allow radical feminists to continue continue spread their poison and undermine the inextricably link between biology and gender.
Then we simply abrogate the alliance and move on to the next step.
Once again, you are forgetting who the absolute enemy is. The very fact that you are willing to compromise with feminists demonstrates that. Troons are a symptom of a bigger problem. Feminism is one of the root causes of the bigger problem.
The coalition you're proposing is the same arrangement as the scorpion crossing the river on the back of a frog. The TERFs will sink you both, because what's in their nature trumps what's in their best interests. They are not rational beings, and treating them like rational beings will not make them into such.
Please see above.
Once again, the causal link between the destruction of gender norms and the systematic eradication of masculinity as a concept and every positive association with it, and the countless men who seem to be increasingly trying to find an escape from their association with manhood and masculinity is plainly obvious. I invite you to provide an alternative explanation for the troon phenomenon that does as comprehensive a job of explaining the explosion of troonery that has occurred in tandem with the obliteration of traditional gender norms by the very feminists you currently ally yourself with.
Your attempt to defer this responsibility by pointing out the FtM phenomenon does not achieve this. The destruction of traditional gender norms goes both ways, and so do its consequences. These same feminists, with whom you ally yourself, are also responsible for convincing generations of young women and girls that they can be happy and fulfilled while rejecting the femininity that comes naturally to them. When this turns out not to be true, women turn out just as alienated and miserable as men have become because of this same malignant feminist propaganda, and many will react by doubling down on their rejection of traditional gender norms. Once again, the weakened state of these norms, resulting directly from the institutional war that has been waged on them at the feminists' behest, makes this easier for both sexes.
The radfems caused this problem.
On top of that, bringing up the FtM troons when challenged on your support for the TERFs is frankly disijgenuous. The primary focus of the TERFs, and certainly the exclusive focus of the tradcucks on the troon issue is on the MtF side, because of the fundamental, reactionary revulsion both groups share to men invading women's spaces.
I share that revulsion, although mine goes both ways, but I do find it curious that tradcucks only bring up FtM troons when trying to run interference for the role the feminists have played on creating this whole mess.
If they're not rational beings, as you assert, all the better to unleash them on the foe.
Even a dog will grow to hate an object with which you hit it. You do not need to be rational, you just need to be sentient. Even under your worst assumptions about GC, this is true and correct.
I'll remind you that I affirmed that this is in part caused by the destruction of gender norms. It's the rest of your explanation which I criticized as being without evidence and foundation.
But this refutes your own claim. If it goes both ways, and the FTT is far more common than MTT, then clearly your claim that it is due to "demonization of men" is inapplicable.
Yes, that is a valid criticism with which I agree. However, the mere fact that feminists have spent decades damaging and undermining society, does not mean that none of them can be useful today when battling even more cancerous feminists.
Obviously. You attack the enemy's weakest spots. And it's working. Public opinion is turning against troonery.
As does mine. If anything, I find FTT to be more repellent.
This is simple strategy. You cite the cases that are most likely to get people to turn against this absurd fad. "Mentally ill women with their breasts cut off entering men's locker rooms" isn't as viscerally appalling to most people as "men shoving their penises into the women's locker rooms".
My assertion is that feminist propaganda ---> destruction of gender norms --->troonery. You will not solve this problem by allying yourself with the fundamental cause of it, and you are shooting yourself in the foot by doing so. Public opinion may shift against troonery, but it will not die so long as we continue to allow radical feminists to spread their poison and undermine the inextricable link between biology and gender. By siding with them, you enable them to perpetuate their cancer, and by extension perpetuate troonery.
If that was your argument, it certainly wasn't clear. Also, you're ignoring a whole lot of other causes to attribute everything to 'feminist propaganda'.
Then we simply abrogate the alliance and move on to the next step.
Once again, you are forgetting who the absolute enemy is. The very fact that you are willing to compromise with feminists demonstrates that. Troons are a symptom of a bigger problem. Feminism is one of the root causes of the bigger problem.