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– Ahaus667 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

You mean like intentionally ceding bases strategically to reinforce fort Sumter after South Carolina seceded? How about ordering a fleet of warships to breach Carolinas waters to resupply and maintain fort Sumter? How about refusing to peacefully surrender and instead increasing arms and weaponry in the fort. How about going back in to take Charleston harbor after fort Sumter was surrendered? Every single attempt at peaceful separation was denied by Lincoln.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You mean like intentionally ceding bases strategically to reinforce fort Sumter after South Carolina seceded?

OK, and? Is Fort Sumter not a federal fort?

How about ordering a fleet of warships to breach Carolinas waters to resupply and maintain fort Sumter?

Since the question was a violation of federalism, is there a violation of federalism for the federal government to "breach" the waters of one of its own states to resupply one of its own forts?

How about refusing to peacefully surrender

What requirement to surrender federal forts is there?

Every single attempt at peaceful separation was denied by Lincoln.

Was there a requirement to accept a peaceful separation?

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– Ahaus667 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Notice everything you just said violates federalism, but you accept it because a now foreign country claiming land in the largest city of your state and the waters around said city is not acts of war…. If Germany no longer recognized our military base there do we have the right to claim it the airspace and waterways as our land?

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Notice everything you just said violates federalism

How? Something that was perfectly fine before South Carolina declared that it 'seceded' suddenly becomes a violation of federalism? That presupposes that South Carolina has a right to secede, which AL believed it did not.

If Germany no longer recognized our military base there do we have the right to claim it the airspace and waterways as our land?

Is Germany your own territory? The better analogy is if a particular state in Germany proclaims itself 'seceded', does this mean that the national government is immediately obliged to evacuate its military bases from that location?

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– Ahaus667 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Again you are not recognizing what the United States was before the civil war. The most apt modern analogy would be if the entire eastern bloc of Europe left the EU and the EU stepped in and reinforced all EU buildings military while denying that these countries have a right to secede the EU. Federalism is based on the concept that you agree to collectively support each other in order to maintain your independence from each other. When that contract is voided by either party the other party does not have the right to take over the other party.

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