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Putin said Friday: "The EU has completely lost its political sovereignty.” (mobile.twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by Eldourado 3 years ago by Eldourado +83 / -0
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– APDSmith 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Was this not part of the founding purpose of the EU?

To prevent another war in Europe by providing a bulwark against the forces of populism - it's designed to be anti-democratic.

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– realerfunction 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

pretty sure it was supposed to just be a trade agreement that got uppity and now thinks it's europe's federal government.

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– APDSmith 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

The steel trade thing, I didn't have a problem with.

The way that the EU, in the process of turning itself from that trade agreement into the EU - mostly by bolting an entire civil service onto the side of a trade agreement - is the bit I have a problem with.

Case in point, the EU parliament ... unlike most parliaments, the EU parliament isn't the primary legislative body in it's organisation. That would be the EU commission. The EU parliament basically gets to spell-check whatever the commission puts out. Importantly, even if the EU parliament objects to commission legislation, that will not stop the legislation.

Imagine what your country would be like if laws were made by your civil service and that civil service could completely ignore your parliament if that parliament objected to or changed the laws the civil service proposed.

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– realerfunction 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

but we have that already

it's the deep state

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– APDSmith 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Fair enough, but that's not official and when it comes out into the light it tends to get defeated.

Now imagine if that wasn't even an option.

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– coke501 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

it's designed to be anti-democratic

It wasn't designed to be an overbearing authocratic body that undermined it's nations sovereignity at every chance.

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– APDSmith 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

... are you sure about that?

I'm fairly sure some of the leading lights in the creation of the EU, although they were careful to keep it out of policy documents, advocated for precisely that.

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– coke501 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

... are you sure about that?

of course not.

I'm fairly sure some of the leading lights in the creation of the EU, although they were careful to keep it out of policy documents, advocated for precisely that.

I honestly don't think they were intelligent enough to envision something like this.

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– APDSmith 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

They certainly have not phrased it the way you did, but "ever closer union" - a nice turn of phrase - only happens by EU countries progressively surrendering their own sovereignty to the EU.

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