Anyone here happen to have any experience living on a farm or in a rural area? I've lived in a relatively rural state for most of my life and tbh this story about the 10k cattle dropping dead because of "heat" seemed pretty strange. Not normal, indeed.
Just so I understand, your assertion here is that the left does not in fact want to disincentivise, discourage or in many cases outright prohibit eating meat?
October 2013 I was on a road trip from WA to Ohio for a firearms class, and coming out of Rapid City, SD headed eastbound the local news was abuzz about an early snow storm that caused large herd losses of cattle.
Now, I don't want to say that massive die offs due to heat are abnormal, as I'm not in the know of what is normal, but large die offs due to weather phenomena are not unheard of.
I can at least believe its heat. I live in Kansas, and this heat came out of nowhere. So its entirely within the realm of possibility that some ranchers didnt have time to get their livestock and pastures ready for the heat.
It was averaging about 95 F statewide, with some parts getting into the 100 F range. Its on the high end of the usual summer range, but it is "normal". What is not normal is that for the last several weeks it had been in the 80's, then we had a severe storm roll through a few days ago and it almost immediately jumped into the high 90's and 100's in the span of 48 hours or less. So not only would you have the stress of severe weather, you now have rapid heat rises.
And like I said, I dont imagine that ranchers had time to get barns ready, get shade out, get wells tapped, and the other usual things that happen in the leadup to high heat. Especially since this kind of heat usually doesnt hit until July or August.
Also, local news is showing that the 10,000+ number is an "extreme worst case" number, and the actual numbers that have been seen so far are closer to the 2,500-3,000 range. So there is some hyperbole present in the tweet.
EDIT: I did a little more looking. Almost all of the deaths were at feedlots around Dodge City and Garden City. So these are the cattle getting ready to go to the slaughter houses and are on their final week of getting as fattened up as possible. But there have been some feedlots down there that tend to overpack their lots to try and get as many heads of cattle as possible through all at once, and have been slapped by the Kansas Farm Bureau over it. So It absolutely wouldnt surprise me if these were all cattle that were packed in close and it just caused mass overheating not just from the heat, but the packed conditions.
Cold is different. In those cases a lot of livestock can die by crushing and suffocating each other trying to stay warm. Pretty common thing when I was growing up, you'd do everything you could to prevent it and it would still happen. Heat though? I just can't remember that happening.
I lived on a small hold farm, with livestock. We were surrounded by ranches. Cattle are tough, they don't just drop over and die because it's hot. They are also no stupid, if they get hot, they find shade, find water, etc. Something about this seems real weird to me.
No it's certainly not normal. But neither is the series of arsons that keep hitting various food manufacturing and processing plants all over the country.
I don't have any personal knowledge, but I will say that heat can be very dangerous to fuck with.
If those cattle were exposed to elevated temperatures due to bad living conditions, or if the cooling systems broke, the heat could be lethal.
Think about it like this, mammals generate body heat. The rule of thumb I've used is that a human generates the same amount of heat as an old incandescent light bulb. Now, put a few hundred of them in a room, then cut off air circulation. It will not take long for people to over-heat, feel like their suffocating, and start panicking. In dense spaces, you could get a "crush" or something worse. People just falling over each other could (and does) kill hundreds at a time.
If these industrial farms experienced power failures or bad conditions combined with heat waves, you could get mass deaths.
IIRC there was a heat wave in Chicago in the 1970's that killed well over 150 people. Lots of poor people buried in mass graves because no one claimed the bodies.
I don't know what happened, I'm just saying, heat is actually quite dangerous and I'm not willing to just throw it out until: we look into the situation with a proper investigation as the man said. Hell, it could still be misconduct.
Anyone here happen to have any experience living on a farm or in a rural area? I've lived in a relatively rural state for most of my life and tbh this story about the 10k cattle dropping dead because of "heat" seemed pretty strange. Not normal, indeed.
10K cattle but no huge numbers of wildlife worth reporting on?
That sets off my BS detector. The left want us to stop eating meat, this has to be part of it.
Take it easy; if you'd mentioned some of the cattle were female you'd sound like Imp.
Just so I understand, your assertion here is that the left does not in fact want to disincentivise, discourage or in many cases outright prohibit eating meat?
No, my assertion was that "the left assassinated thousands of cows using a bio weapon has to be part of it" sounds fucking stupid.
October 2013 I was on a road trip from WA to Ohio for a firearms class, and coming out of Rapid City, SD headed eastbound the local news was abuzz about an early snow storm that caused large herd losses of cattle.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/100000-cattle-feared-dead-after-early-south-dakota-snowstorm/
Now, I don't want to say that massive die offs due to heat are abnormal, as I'm not in the know of what is normal, but large die offs due to weather phenomena are not unheard of.
I can at least believe its heat. I live in Kansas, and this heat came out of nowhere. So its entirely within the realm of possibility that some ranchers didnt have time to get their livestock and pastures ready for the heat.
Wasn't the temperature over 100 F out there? I suspect those are not normal temps for Kansas, right?
It was averaging about 95 F statewide, with some parts getting into the 100 F range. Its on the high end of the usual summer range, but it is "normal". What is not normal is that for the last several weeks it had been in the 80's, then we had a severe storm roll through a few days ago and it almost immediately jumped into the high 90's and 100's in the span of 48 hours or less. So not only would you have the stress of severe weather, you now have rapid heat rises.
And like I said, I dont imagine that ranchers had time to get barns ready, get shade out, get wells tapped, and the other usual things that happen in the leadup to high heat. Especially since this kind of heat usually doesnt hit until July or August.
Also, local news is showing that the 10,000+ number is an "extreme worst case" number, and the actual numbers that have been seen so far are closer to the 2,500-3,000 range. So there is some hyperbole present in the tweet.
EDIT: I did a little more looking. Almost all of the deaths were at feedlots around Dodge City and Garden City. So these are the cattle getting ready to go to the slaughter houses and are on their final week of getting as fattened up as possible. But there have been some feedlots down there that tend to overpack their lots to try and get as many heads of cattle as possible through all at once, and have been slapped by the Kansas Farm Bureau over it. So It absolutely wouldnt surprise me if these were all cattle that were packed in close and it just caused mass overheating not just from the heat, but the packed conditions.
Cold is different. In those cases a lot of livestock can die by crushing and suffocating each other trying to stay warm. Pretty common thing when I was growing up, you'd do everything you could to prevent it and it would still happen. Heat though? I just can't remember that happening.
I dont live near any animal farms but even plants dying like this is unnatural.
The only explanation is poison or disease.
I lived on a small hold farm, with livestock. We were surrounded by ranches. Cattle are tough, they don't just drop over and die because it's hot. They are also no stupid, if they get hot, they find shade, find water, etc. Something about this seems real weird to me.
Lot of cattle in the San Joaquin Valley in CA, where it's regularly 100+ in summer. Cattle get (some) cover and water, but they're outside year-round.
No it's certainly not normal. But neither is the series of arsons that keep hitting various food manufacturing and processing plants all over the country.
I don't have any personal knowledge, but I will say that heat can be very dangerous to fuck with.
If those cattle were exposed to elevated temperatures due to bad living conditions, or if the cooling systems broke, the heat could be lethal.
Think about it like this, mammals generate body heat. The rule of thumb I've used is that a human generates the same amount of heat as an old incandescent light bulb. Now, put a few hundred of them in a room, then cut off air circulation. It will not take long for people to over-heat, feel like their suffocating, and start panicking. In dense spaces, you could get a "crush" or something worse. People just falling over each other could (and does) kill hundreds at a time.
If these industrial farms experienced power failures or bad conditions combined with heat waves, you could get mass deaths.
IIRC there was a heat wave in Chicago in the 1970's that killed well over 150 people. Lots of poor people buried in mass graves because no one claimed the bodies.
I don't know what happened, I'm just saying, heat is actually quite dangerous and I'm not willing to just throw it out until: we look into the situation with a proper investigation as the man said. Hell, it could still be misconduct.