A normal blockade is against imports to hurt your enemy, and not exports on which the literal survival of many completely neutral countries depends on.
This sounds like an ad hoc rationalization, not like something established in ius in bello as we call it, right? Surely, a normal blockade would also include the prevention of exports to hurt your enemy. Hell, the free, democratic, free-press, anti-cluster munitions West is effectively blockading Russia from exporting anything except stuff that it needs.
C'mon man. You really think I want people to starve? Or that I think Russia is good and noble, as opposed to no better - or worse - than the West? Or that Timothy freaking Snyder would ever tell the truth?
BTW, even he says:
"First, it is part of a larger attempt to destroy the Ukrainian state, by cutting off its exports."
Sounds like a legitimate war aim.
But go and tell me again about "GAE" and "American coup", call the effects of medieval style pillage "grain from Russia" again
Even assuming that it is 'medieval-style pillage'. What business is it of the Muricans to tell starving Africans that "this grain is bad because Russia"?
you may add some more idiocy about "biolabs" or whatever, go on.
I mean, V. Coupland admitted it, and George Bush did as well with Vovan and Lexus. So what do you want me to say? I don't know what the hell they were doing in those biolabs, but the panic about them not falling into Russian hands sure suggests that it wasn't exactly decent stuff.
What the fuck? When ever it happened when a country chose to starve large swathes of Africa and also parts of Asia (or any other continents), all neutral countries, to death, just to punish an unrelated country in another continent? When this "legitimate war aim" happened? Is this the "denazification of Africa" now?
No is physically (by force) blockading exports of Russian food to the countries needing it desperately. Only in your weird mind.
Americans can tell anyone not to buy the STOLEN food, they don't enforce it.
They're not like the police who will raid you if you conciously buy from someone you know was stolen from someone who murdered and robbed his neighbour. (And you think it's now just the robber's property. Because you do, calling it "Russian".)
But anyway they only ask and that is all. Theres no US Navy fucking blockading the sea. While THERE IS the Russian Navy blockade of the food they didn't steal yet.
Go and demand Ukraine just give their food to be sold by Moscow. Again, like in the 1930s. Time is a flat circle.
I fucking told you the Americans tried to make them take Yanuk's own compromise offer AND FAILED BECAUSE THE UKRAINIAN OPPOSITION DIDN'T LISTEN TO THEM. Is it in large enough letters for you to finally comprehend?
This is a reccuring theme, the Ukrainians just not listening to Americans. Even if it the. Bites them in the ass badly.
They were dismantling the old Soviet labs, just like they dismantled/blown up/transferred to Russia (with Americans paying for it) all of nuclear weapons and anything related to them earlier in the decades long process of the American disarmament of Ukraine.
And which is something the Ukrainians actually shouldn't have listened to the Americans about. Because the Americans believed Russia can be a friend and a partner, because they're so stupid and naive in their own ways.
Is it legitimate or not to try to sabotage a country's exports to attempt to cripple the state? Seems to me that it is a legitimate war aim, regardless of its effects on third parties.
Americans can tell anyone not to buy the STOLEN food, they don't enforce it.
So they're telling Africans to starve for its empire, like I said. And no enforcement? Not militarily perhaps, but they have a lot of levers with which to punish countries, which is why nearly all the world does what it demands.
They're not like the police who will raid you if you conciously buy from someone you know was stolen from someone who murdered and robbed his neighbour. (And you think it's now just the robber's property. Because you do, calling it "Russian".)
I mean, Ukraine was ruled from Moscow, and if Ukraine has the right to reconquer the Donbas, then Russia has every right to reconquer Ukraine. Regarding theft, no, that's what the Americans do to the central bank reserves of Russia and Afghanistan.
I fucking told you the Americans tried to make them take Yanuk's own compromise offer AND FAILED BECAUSE THE UKRAINIAN OPPOSITION DIDN'T LISTEN TO THEM. Is it in large enough letters for you to finally comprehend?
Even if everything that you say is correct, and it may be, America and the EU still bear absolute responsibility for the coup. They were inciting against the government for months, after all - because that corrupt bastard was not their puppet.
They were dismantling the old Soviet labs, just like they dismantled/blown up/transferred to Russia (with Americans paying for it) all of nuclear weapons and anything related to them earlier in the decades long process of the American disarmament of Ukraine.
Yes, that is the standard defense. So why are they so terrified of Russia getting its hands on these labs? Why was Bush happy that 'Zelensky' prevented the Russians from getting their hands on it? I'm sure the Russians have more biological weapons than any country in the world.
Because the Americans believed Russia can be a friend and a partner
Yes, they thought Russia could be a 'democracy' - which they define as their puppet. Turns out, Putin is not their puppet. They got mad and started a new Cold War.
At the cost of millions dead in many neutral countries? Whenever it happened in history?
Shut the fuck up about "empire", seriously..I can't fucking hear it, it's so fucking dumb. Americans are already feeding the world in absolutely massive humanitarian efforts for decades, since WWII and its aftermath (Berlin Airlift included). US Aid, most of UN efforts. Feed even nominally enemy populations like the food airdrops in Afghanistan 2001. America feeds the Palestinians (including Palestinian "refugees"), who hate America.
It's the Russian leverage now, and the leverage is they suddenly disrupted and now control most of the regular food supply to the already hungry nations in the globalized world. They used to say a war between 2 countries with McDonalds can't happen, obviously couldn't even imagine something like that happening but here we go. Unimaginable, now happening.
Ukraine was not allowed to reconquer Donbas in 2014, halted by the Russian regular incusion in August. The world de facto has accepted that much (even Ukraine more less did) and it was supposed to be the end of it, but again, no. Was not allowed to end like that.
Afghanistan money was literally Western money, Afghanistan has practically no economy. Are you crying they didn't let the enemy steal their own money?
Yanuk was complaining to the West about Moscow not allowing him to do things. Americans likes him and wanted him stay.
There was no coup, there was a revolution. If you want to see a coup, look at Crimea - Russian soldiers raiding the parliament at night, occupying the building, leading the personnel out at gunpoint, changing flags. This is how a coup looks like.
At the cost of millions dead in many neutral countries? Whenever it happened in history?
We're discussing here whether it is legal under international law. And it is. No exception is made for 'has bad consequences for third parties'.
Americans are already feeding the world in absolutely massive humanitarian efforts for decades, since WWII and its aftermath (Berlin Airlift included).
It's cute that you think that has anything at all to do with 'humanitarianism'. They did not risk nuclear war for 'humanitarian' anything. That is their mask, for consumption by the average decent, red-blooded American, not something the ruling classes actually believe in.
America feeds the Palestinians (including Palestinian "refugees"), who hate America.
Because it buys America leverage and influence around the world.
They used to say a war between 2 countries with McDonalds can't happen, obviously couldn't even imagine something like that happening but here we go. Unimaginable, now happening.
Maybe 'they' were just idiots, just like the 'democratic peace theory' (as if Western countries are democratic). Human nature did not change just because McDonald's foisted obesity down every country's throats.
Ukraine was not allowed to reconquer Donbas in 2014, halted by the Russian regular incusion in August. The world de facto has accepted that much (even Ukraine more less did) and it was supposed to be the end of it, but again, no.
I mean, psychotic warmongers like McCain and Graham went to Ukraine and proclaimed that the next year would be "the year of offense". Ukraine was arming itself to the teeth in order to overrun the LDNR, and perhaps even Crimea.
Under such circumstances, along with Russia weakening by the year, the only rational course of action was this invasion. Same reason is why I expect China not to invade any time soon: they get stronger while they wait, not weaker.
Afghanistan money was literally Western money, Afghanistan has practically no economy. Are you crying they didn't let the enemy steal their own money?
I'm not 'complaining' about anything, just pointing out that these great humanitarians - who only months earlier had been telling their people that they should definitely go and die for Afghanistan (in order to enrich Raytheon), because they cared so much about the people, then decide to starve Afghans.
Yanuk was complaining to the West about Moscow not allowing him to do things. Americans likes him and wanted him stay.
Putin's 15 billion was no more charity than America's 'food aid' is. The smart country plays superpowers off against each other in order to extract maximum benefits. Ukraine decided to throw its lot in with the West, and as a result, innocent people are being wrecked.
What do you say 'Zelensky'? Is it because you want to say his real name is Rubinsteinbergmann?
??????
Cause it wasn't the real Zelensky. Christ man, they've done a real number on you. Hope you heal.
Russia started the new Cold War. For no reason other than imperialism. Actual imperialism, restoring their empire, not your stupid buzzword.
This sounds like an ad hoc rationalization, not like something established in ius in bello as we call it, right? Surely, a normal blockade would also include the prevention of exports to hurt your enemy. Hell, the free, democratic, free-press, anti-cluster munitions West is effectively blockading Russia from exporting anything except stuff that it needs.
C'mon man. You really think I want people to starve? Or that I think Russia is good and noble, as opposed to no better - or worse - than the West? Or that Timothy freaking Snyder would ever tell the truth?
BTW, even he says:
"First, it is part of a larger attempt to destroy the Ukrainian state, by cutting off its exports."
Sounds like a legitimate war aim.
Even assuming that it is 'medieval-style pillage'. What business is it of the Muricans to tell starving Africans that "this grain is bad because Russia"?
I mean, V. Coupland admitted it, and George Bush did as well with Vovan and Lexus. So what do you want me to say? I don't know what the hell they were doing in those biolabs, but the panic about them not falling into Russian hands sure suggests that it wasn't exactly decent stuff.
What the fuck? When ever it happened when a country chose to starve large swathes of Africa and also parts of Asia (or any other continents), all neutral countries, to death, just to punish an unrelated country in another continent? When this "legitimate war aim" happened? Is this the "denazification of Africa" now?
No is physically (by force) blockading exports of Russian food to the countries needing it desperately. Only in your weird mind.
Americans can tell anyone not to buy the STOLEN food, they don't enforce it.
They're not like the police who will raid you if you conciously buy from someone you know was stolen from someone who murdered and robbed his neighbour. (And you think it's now just the robber's property. Because you do, calling it "Russian".)
But anyway they only ask and that is all. Theres no US Navy fucking blockading the sea. While THERE IS the Russian Navy blockade of the food they didn't steal yet.
Go and demand Ukraine just give their food to be sold by Moscow. Again, like in the 1930s. Time is a flat circle.
I fucking told you the Americans tried to make them take Yanuk's own compromise offer AND FAILED BECAUSE THE UKRAINIAN OPPOSITION DIDN'T LISTEN TO THEM. Is it in large enough letters for you to finally comprehend?
This is a reccuring theme, the Ukrainians just not listening to Americans. Even if it the. Bites them in the ass badly.
They were dismantling the old Soviet labs, just like they dismantled/blown up/transferred to Russia (with Americans paying for it) all of nuclear weapons and anything related to them earlier in the decades long process of the American disarmament of Ukraine.
And which is something the Ukrainians actually shouldn't have listened to the Americans about. Because the Americans believed Russia can be a friend and a partner, because they're so stupid and naive in their own ways.
Is it legitimate or not to try to sabotage a country's exports to attempt to cripple the state? Seems to me that it is a legitimate war aim, regardless of its effects on third parties.
So they're telling Africans to starve for its empire, like I said. And no enforcement? Not militarily perhaps, but they have a lot of levers with which to punish countries, which is why nearly all the world does what it demands.
I mean, Ukraine was ruled from Moscow, and if Ukraine has the right to reconquer the Donbas, then Russia has every right to reconquer Ukraine. Regarding theft, no, that's what the Americans do to the central bank reserves of Russia and Afghanistan.
Even if everything that you say is correct, and it may be, America and the EU still bear absolute responsibility for the coup. They were inciting against the government for months, after all - because that corrupt bastard was not their puppet.
Yes, that is the standard defense. So why are they so terrified of Russia getting its hands on these labs? Why was Bush happy that 'Zelensky' prevented the Russians from getting their hands on it? I'm sure the Russians have more biological weapons than any country in the world.
Yes, they thought Russia could be a 'democracy' - which they define as their puppet. Turns out, Putin is not their puppet. They got mad and started a new Cold War.
At the cost of millions dead in many neutral countries? Whenever it happened in history?
Shut the fuck up about "empire", seriously..I can't fucking hear it, it's so fucking dumb. Americans are already feeding the world in absolutely massive humanitarian efforts for decades, since WWII and its aftermath (Berlin Airlift included). US Aid, most of UN efforts. Feed even nominally enemy populations like the food airdrops in Afghanistan 2001. America feeds the Palestinians (including Palestinian "refugees"), who hate America.
It's the Russian leverage now, and the leverage is they suddenly disrupted and now control most of the regular food supply to the already hungry nations in the globalized world. They used to say a war between 2 countries with McDonalds can't happen, obviously couldn't even imagine something like that happening but here we go. Unimaginable, now happening.
Ukraine was not allowed to reconquer Donbas in 2014, halted by the Russian regular incusion in August. The world de facto has accepted that much (even Ukraine more less did) and it was supposed to be the end of it, but again, no. Was not allowed to end like that.
Afghanistan money was literally Western money, Afghanistan has practically no economy. Are you crying they didn't let the enemy steal their own money?
Yanuk was complaining to the West about Moscow not allowing him to do things. Americans likes him and wanted him stay.
There was no coup, there was a revolution. If you want to see a coup, look at Crimea - Russian soldiers raiding the parliament at night, occupying the building, leading the personnel out at gunpoint, changing flags. This is how a coup looks like.
Here are Russians witnessing the wonders of a lab (and looting it): https://twitter.com/terror_studies/status/1536426607577075724 It's denazified now.
What do you say 'Zelensky'? Is it because you want to say his real name is Rubinsteinbergmann?
Russia started the new Cold War. For no reason other than imperialism. Actual imperialism, restoring their empire, not your stupid buzzword.
We're discussing here whether it is legal under international law. And it is. No exception is made for 'has bad consequences for third parties'.
It's cute that you think that has anything at all to do with 'humanitarianism'. They did not risk nuclear war for 'humanitarian' anything. That is their mask, for consumption by the average decent, red-blooded American, not something the ruling classes actually believe in.
Because it buys America leverage and influence around the world.
Maybe 'they' were just idiots, just like the 'democratic peace theory' (as if Western countries are democratic). Human nature did not change just because McDonald's foisted obesity down every country's throats.
I mean, psychotic warmongers like McCain and Graham went to Ukraine and proclaimed that the next year would be "the year of offense". Ukraine was arming itself to the teeth in order to overrun the LDNR, and perhaps even Crimea.
Under such circumstances, along with Russia weakening by the year, the only rational course of action was this invasion. Same reason is why I expect China not to invade any time soon: they get stronger while they wait, not weaker.
I'm not 'complaining' about anything, just pointing out that these great humanitarians - who only months earlier had been telling their people that they should definitely go and die for Afghanistan (in order to enrich Raytheon), because they cared so much about the people, then decide to starve Afghans.
Putin's 15 billion was no more charity than America's 'food aid' is. The smart country plays superpowers off against each other in order to extract maximum benefits. Ukraine decided to throw its lot in with the West, and as a result, innocent people are being wrecked.
??????
Cause it wasn't the real Zelensky. Christ man, they've done a real number on you. Hope you heal.
Their empire.
This was how the actual Ukrainian coup, 2014 looked like: https://twitter.com/BurningPookan/status/1536300320564944900
Looking like a coup does, a budget one with no tanks (BTRs only).
Invasion is not really a coup. And I don't see why you would need tanks for a coup.