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posted 4 years ago by xAzureAceStarburstx 4 years ago by xAzureAceStarburstx +17 / -0
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– Kienan 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

It's very tricky. They've chosen their world view, or had it chosen for them. They have to get there on their own, but giving them some of the information might be able to help them. I'd say be calm, don't treat them like morons. If you antagonize them, they'll get defensive and double down. Plant the seed of doubt in them via video evidence as others have mentioned and, if they really do develop doubts and voice them, their own side will be the one to attack them. That's where redpilling really happens.

Be calm, be logical, be polite, and don't try to drastically change their world view...just get them to start questioning; that's really all you can do.

Last bit of general advice; make it apply to them. That's the other ingredient of a good redpilling; it has to affect them personally. So if you can find stories of police abusing someone for something you know your friend also does, that's good. If they're the SJW style of libtard, videos of police abusing nonwhites and women is also good. Again, your goal is the nefarious seed of doubt. Try to get a bit of a wedge in their own arguments, and see if they start to pick at it.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

If you antagonize them, they'll get defensive and double down.

The problem is that people always get defensive if you try to persuade them in any way, at least when it comes to things that they have been thoroughly conditioned to believe.

E.g. if you bring up in a discussion about Ukraine that Western governments never condemn Ukraine for shelling civilians in Donetsk, he will try to look for excuses as to why this is just and correct. Rather, you want him to ask that of himself, rather than try to answer you.

This is a fairly universally applicable rule. I've even seen people who oppose certain coronavirus restrictions try to excuse their governments for implementing those very same restrictions when hearing them criticized for it.

I am not sure what this is. Probably a deep-seated human drive towards conformity, as those who did not conform were historically quite likely to have their head chopped off.

I also think that people are quite stubborn, and that people are very bad at making arguments that are persuasive to people with whom they disagree. No right-winger has ever persuaded me of anything in a direct discussion with me, only that he is a jackass who is very wrong. But left-wingers have persuaded me that right-wingers have a point.

That's where redpilling really happens.

Not sure if true, I've heard that American communists solidified the allegiance of new members by having them hand out communist fliers. They would be so thoroughly abused by members of the public for it that their communism would be even more entrenched.

Plant the seed of doubt in them

This really works best. Ultimately, it is something that people have to do themselves, not something you can do for them.

Be calm, be logical, be polite

Above all else, have a sense of humor. If you can make someone laugh, that sweeps away all his defenses.

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