In the multiple Reddited Quebec threads there are obese people agressively whining that their obesity is not due to eating too much because they "tried barely eating anything and it didn't work", so you are an asshole for even daring to tell them to put to fork down and go for a walk.
I lived with an obese relative like that. Then after that person's second test results of worsening prediabetes and more whining that "it couldn't possibly be due to eating too much" I mercilessly pointed out all of the Secret Eating she was doing.
I can hear the soda and cake snacks in the middle of the night. No it's not an occasional thing. You do it every night. "Waaa I can't possibly sleep on an empty stomach!" Irrelevant and false. Eventually you'll be tired enough to sleep. That's 500 extra calories you forgot ever existed when you get up in the morning and it has to stop. Find something else to do at night.
That restaurent lunch because "you haven't eaten breakfast this morning" has almost the total number of calories you should have for the whole day.
And by the way, the empty bag of chips and can of soda in the car tell me you actually ate plenty for breakfast.
Oh my. Oh did I piss them off by voiding all the excuses and rationalizations they constantly make up.
But relative did something unexpected : the Secret Eating stopped, the meal portions shrunk. So the weight fell off, and the prediabetes vanished.
No it's not easy. But it's extremely simple.
Anyone old enough to reason at bit, so a teenager, is also old enough to understand overeating = piling-on excess fat, and can stop doing it. The rest is just excuses. Yes even the "muh thyroid PCOS" are excuses. They explain 10 - 20 pounds of mystery weight. Not 30, 50, 150, 250+. Thyroid problems are fixed with meds that costs pennies a week, and oh great irony, PCOS usually go asymptomatic when you lose weight and rarely manifest if you don't get fat in the first place ( can happen, but rare ).
Cruel mocking dosen't work and usually result in self-pity bitterness that the fattie comforts with eating to forget the bad fee-feels.
This has a sociological role though, to encourage other people who make an effort to stick to it. But the immediate target is not benefiting of that, so a loved one won't benefit from "tough love".
Don't bother touching their overeating problem with other people around = instant defensiveness and other people comforting the fattie with more lies that nothing is their fault. It will just reinforce the Fatlogic delusion.
Methodically pointing the secreat eating with a reasonably acurate calorie count vs caloric needs has better results. ( But Fat Acceptance cultists consider that to be fatshaming anyway. )
The fattie's gears can start moving and bypass the stupid misinformation on the TV, news, magasines that told them nothing is their fault and "diets don't work" if the fattie can see you using the food scale, eat reasonable portions of anything, junkfood included, etc and mimic your portions.
Of course this is not always easy if you don't have the same caloric needs as the fattie and some hand-holding may be necessary to encourage sticking to portion sizes appropriate to them.
Explaining caloric needs helps alleviate some of the fattie's frustration if you're taller or exercise more. They need a motivation to change, though. Type 2 diabetes knocking at the door is rather motivating.
What about imposing a tax on the obese?
We have known since the beginning that this virus replicates in fat cells and hits the obese like a truck.
They had 2 years to put down their fucking cakes.
In the multiple Reddited Quebec threads there are obese people agressively whining that their obesity is not due to eating too much because they "tried barely eating anything and it didn't work", so you are an asshole for even daring to tell them to put to fork down and go for a walk.
I lived with an obese relative like that. Then after that person's second test results of worsening prediabetes and more whining that "it couldn't possibly be due to eating too much" I mercilessly pointed out all of the Secret Eating she was doing.
I can hear the soda and cake snacks in the middle of the night. No it's not an occasional thing. You do it every night. "Waaa I can't possibly sleep on an empty stomach!" Irrelevant and false. Eventually you'll be tired enough to sleep. That's 500 extra calories you forgot ever existed when you get up in the morning and it has to stop. Find something else to do at night.
That restaurent lunch because "you haven't eaten breakfast this morning" has almost the total number of calories you should have for the whole day.
And by the way, the empty bag of chips and can of soda in the car tell me you actually ate plenty for breakfast.
Oh my. Oh did I piss them off by voiding all the excuses and rationalizations they constantly make up.
But relative did something unexpected : the Secret Eating stopped, the meal portions shrunk. So the weight fell off, and the prediabetes vanished.
No it's not easy. But it's extremely simple.
Anyone old enough to reason at bit, so a teenager, is also old enough to understand overeating = piling-on excess fat, and can stop doing it. The rest is just excuses. Yes even the "muh thyroid PCOS" are excuses. They explain 10 - 20 pounds of mystery weight. Not 30, 50, 150, 250+. Thyroid problems are fixed with meds that costs pennies a week, and oh great irony, PCOS usually go asymptomatic when you lose weight and rarely manifest if you don't get fat in the first place ( can happen, but rare ).
So fat-shaming works and leads to improved health outcomes?
Probably why big tech bans all fat shaming subreddits…
Cruel mocking dosen't work and usually result in self-pity bitterness that the fattie comforts with eating to forget the bad fee-feels.
This has a sociological role though, to encourage other people who make an effort to stick to it. But the immediate target is not benefiting of that, so a loved one won't benefit from "tough love".
Don't bother touching their overeating problem with other people around = instant defensiveness and other people comforting the fattie with more lies that nothing is their fault. It will just reinforce the Fatlogic delusion.
Methodically pointing the secreat eating with a reasonably acurate calorie count vs caloric needs has better results. ( But Fat Acceptance cultists consider that to be fatshaming anyway. )
The fattie's gears can start moving and bypass the stupid misinformation on the TV, news, magasines that told them nothing is their fault and "diets don't work" if the fattie can see you using the food scale, eat reasonable portions of anything, junkfood included, etc and mimic your portions.
Of course this is not always easy if you don't have the same caloric needs as the fattie and some hand-holding may be necessary to encourage sticking to portion sizes appropriate to them.
Explaining caloric needs helps alleviate some of the fattie's frustration if you're taller or exercise more. They need a motivation to change, though. Type 2 diabetes knocking at the door is rather motivating.
Why is it if you bring up the obesity and overeating that “other people comfort the fattie with more lies that nothing is their fault.” ?
Interesting that these friends will end up harming the fattie in the long run.