I think most right thinking people do. Hell, I would even say a lot of the talk about how “climate change doesn’t exist” is about the Lefts Gaia Worship stance on the issue. For my own stance, I am a TR-style Conservationist: We should absolutely protect wildlife and maintain areas of pristine wilderness. But for the benefit of both the Earth and humanity. And that we overcome pollution with technology and efficiency, not punishment and returning to monke like the Climate Cult wants.
TLDR: Nuclear Reactors or you are a lying cultist.
Carbon Emissions are an existential threat. The thing is, most people don't know what a real existential threat looks like. The idea that cities would be slowly abandoned over the next hundred years due to inhospitability due to sea level rise isn't crazy.
In fact, one of the most interesting things in archaeology is seeing how emergent civilizations live on top of previous civilizations, and even though they are direct descendants, there is no information about the previous civilization.
These massive cities are large economic centers, and they were constructed from imperial economies that supported them. When the empire collapsed economically it took it's cities with it. The popping of the economic bubble caused a total collapse of the wholes civilization. For the Assyrians, it's a prime example of why you don't build your entire civilization on military expansionism alone.
If you've read Jared Diamond's "Collapse", you'll also note that significant environmental degradation can cause the collapse of these cities. These cities and their incredible urban density must import vast quantities of food, and they also require significant transportation using waterways and coast lines. If environmental degradation (or poisoning) disrupts the logistical system to support these cities, the cities die, and the civilization typically goes with it because these cities include all of the formalized knowledge, wealth, and technical class of those civilizations. This seems to have at least partly happened with Easter Island, however it may have also contributed to the Bronze Age Collapse.
Not every civilization dies from fiery disaster. Many just fade away. People typically abandon cities. Old ways of doing things are lost. The technical knowledge of previous civilizations is lost, particularly if the language is no longer readable. Although Rome was sacked, Rome continued to exist long after the Western Roman Empire fell, and even after the Eastern Roman's re-conquered it. However, back in Gaul, despite being occupied by Romans for centuries, despite adopting Roman civilizations, despite traveling on Roman roads, even despite Charlemagne effectively claiming the title of Caesar, the Franks couldn't speak Latin, and they could tell you what a Rome even was. Even though they could still travel to it on the roads built by Romans and Romanic Gauls.
If major cities and their economic power are damaged by changing water-ways and rising coast-lines, this is an existential threat that could cause the entire Global power structure to shift on it's foundations. It's not the first time shit like that has happened. The Globalist power structure needs food production to stay where it is, city size to increase, and effectively no changes to anything anywhere. Well, that's not going to happen, and cultivatable farming regions are already shifting, and their own economic policies are causing cities to be abandoned already.
You're looking at a proper collapse, that the Globalists think is existential; but in reality is simply existential... ... to them. We'll be fine.
There is also something to be said about how their attempt at top down control of an environment fails just as much as their attempts to control just about everything else. Its the locals who usually understand their own environment and its needs.
For instance, here in Kansas, a lot of the environmentalist types have been trying to ban control burning for years. They claim it creates significant amounts of pollution, that it "destroys nature", and that it harms wildlife. Meanwhile, fire is essential for the prairie to continue to exist, as all of the native species of grasses and trees have evolved over millennia with fire so either their roots are deep underground or they are hardened against fire, while any invaders burn to ash because that is not their way (and we hold off the Red Cedar scourge for one more year). Even the Native Americans, who are pseudo-deified by the environmentalist for being "one with nature" burned the prairie because it allowed for easier movement and the fresh grass brought the bison herds.
Additionally, they also pitch a fit over cattle grazing in this region. This despite the fact that cattle are the only reason the prairie still exist. They wanted to plow this all under and turn it into farmland (because unfortunately, all the properties that make good prairie make good farms), but the soil was so shallow and rocky it didnt work here. So they brought in the cattle to graze, and as it turns out your average bovine has a very similar grazing pattern to the bison. So they managed to bring the prairie back up to its former glory after decades of decay thanks to the near extinction of the bison.
But no, some central bureaucrat talked with a scientist who has never been here who says we are clearly morons who dont understand how much harm we are doing and that we need to stop being naughty children and listen to the smart people now.
The technical knowledge of previous civilizations is lost, particularly if the language is no longer readable.
The one that is always amazing to me is that we know that Roman Concrete is significantly stronger than anything we make now. As in, to make anything even near its durability, we have to use steel-reinforced concrete, because normal concrete wont even get close. But no one knows how to make it! Even the ROMANS THEMSEVLES forgot how! And that is honestly the thing that terrifies me more about all of the push for "diversity" into all these industries. That some diversity hire is going to break something, and then no one knows how to fix it, and now we just have to live with inferior quality planes or steel.
but in reality is simply existential... ... to them. We'll be fine.
Yep. Especially since I live in one of those places where the food comes from. Because speaking around here, the only shortages that have been noticed due to the supply line issues has been luxury items like electronics. All of the basics, like clothing, food, and fuel are readily available. And while fuel is more expensive than it used to be, everything else is actually largely the same price it has been and shows no sign of prices going up. So if the collapse comes, I will at least still be able to eat. Meanwhile, the cities will probably descend into absolute anarchy as people resort to extreme means because they cant exactly eat their brand new Iphone.
For instance, here in Kansas, a lot of the environmentalist types have been trying to ban control burning for years. They claim it creates significant amounts of pollution, that it "destroys nature", and that it harms wildlife.
This is devastatingly stupid and they should be classified as terrorists for trying to cause widespread fires.
Additionally, they also pitch a fit over cattle grazing in this region. This despite the fact that cattle are the only reason the prairie still exist
Correct. Literally the purpose of the prarie.
But no, some central bureaucrat talked with a scientist
This is where my objections come in. Any good scientist should be stating this. Horticulture and Agricultural management is a major aspect of how to deal with climate change.
Because speaking around here, the only shortages that have been noticed due to the supply line issues has been luxury items like electronics.
The danger in those areas is not that you'll starve, just that if the biome changes enough from the climate, some crops will no longer be profitable, and you might even have problems with soil nutrients, and you can't just dump and infinite number of fertilizers into land that's been over-farmed or over-grazed. If you genuinely change the rainfall patterns and growing seasons, a lot of shit starts to have a knock-on effect that could be really disruptive.
kicks a small stone
... i care about carbon dioxide levels...
I think most right thinking people do. Hell, I would even say a lot of the talk about how “climate change doesn’t exist” is about the Lefts Gaia Worship stance on the issue. For my own stance, I am a TR-style Conservationist: We should absolutely protect wildlife and maintain areas of pristine wilderness. But for the benefit of both the Earth and humanity. And that we overcome pollution with technology and efficiency, not punishment and returning to monke like the Climate Cult wants.
TLDR: Nuclear Reactors or you are a lying cultist.
Basially.
Carbon Emissions are an existential threat. The thing is, most people don't know what a real existential threat looks like. The idea that cities would be slowly abandoned over the next hundred years due to inhospitability due to sea level rise isn't crazy.
In fact, one of the most interesting things in archaeology is seeing how emergent civilizations live on top of previous civilizations, and even though they are direct descendants, there is no information about the previous civilization.
Xenophon's retreat from Persia includes the first western, written, accounts of the Assyrian Empire, 200 years after it collapsed. The people who lived in these cities abandoned them, and the people who lived in these cities had no memory of the civilization who built these massive cities just 200 years earlier. Imagine if no one in the US had any information about how the city of Philadelphia came to be.
These massive cities are large economic centers, and they were constructed from imperial economies that supported them. When the empire collapsed economically it took it's cities with it. The popping of the economic bubble caused a total collapse of the wholes civilization. For the Assyrians, it's a prime example of why you don't build your entire civilization on military expansionism alone.
If you've read Jared Diamond's "Collapse", you'll also note that significant environmental degradation can cause the collapse of these cities. These cities and their incredible urban density must import vast quantities of food, and they also require significant transportation using waterways and coast lines. If environmental degradation (or poisoning) disrupts the logistical system to support these cities, the cities die, and the civilization typically goes with it because these cities include all of the formalized knowledge, wealth, and technical class of those civilizations. This seems to have at least partly happened with Easter Island, however it may have also contributed to the Bronze Age Collapse.
Not every civilization dies from fiery disaster. Many just fade away. People typically abandon cities. Old ways of doing things are lost. The technical knowledge of previous civilizations is lost, particularly if the language is no longer readable. Although Rome was sacked, Rome continued to exist long after the Western Roman Empire fell, and even after the Eastern Roman's re-conquered it. However, back in Gaul, despite being occupied by Romans for centuries, despite adopting Roman civilizations, despite traveling on Roman roads, even despite Charlemagne effectively claiming the title of Caesar, the Franks couldn't speak Latin, and they could tell you what a Rome even was. Even though they could still travel to it on the roads built by Romans and Romanic Gauls.
If major cities and their economic power are damaged by changing water-ways and rising coast-lines, this is an existential threat that could cause the entire Global power structure to shift on it's foundations. It's not the first time shit like that has happened. The Globalist power structure needs food production to stay where it is, city size to increase, and effectively no changes to anything anywhere. Well, that's not going to happen, and cultivatable farming regions are already shifting, and their own economic policies are causing cities to be abandoned already.
You're looking at a proper collapse, that the Globalists think is existential; but in reality is simply existential... ... to them. We'll be fine.
There is also something to be said about how their attempt at top down control of an environment fails just as much as their attempts to control just about everything else. Its the locals who usually understand their own environment and its needs.
For instance, here in Kansas, a lot of the environmentalist types have been trying to ban control burning for years. They claim it creates significant amounts of pollution, that it "destroys nature", and that it harms wildlife. Meanwhile, fire is essential for the prairie to continue to exist, as all of the native species of grasses and trees have evolved over millennia with fire so either their roots are deep underground or they are hardened against fire, while any invaders burn to ash because that is not their way (and we hold off the Red Cedar scourge for one more year). Even the Native Americans, who are pseudo-deified by the environmentalist for being "one with nature" burned the prairie because it allowed for easier movement and the fresh grass brought the bison herds.
Additionally, they also pitch a fit over cattle grazing in this region. This despite the fact that cattle are the only reason the prairie still exist. They wanted to plow this all under and turn it into farmland (because unfortunately, all the properties that make good prairie make good farms), but the soil was so shallow and rocky it didnt work here. So they brought in the cattle to graze, and as it turns out your average bovine has a very similar grazing pattern to the bison. So they managed to bring the prairie back up to its former glory after decades of decay thanks to the near extinction of the bison.
But no, some central bureaucrat talked with a scientist who has never been here who says we are clearly morons who dont understand how much harm we are doing and that we need to stop being naughty children and listen to the smart people now.
The one that is always amazing to me is that we know that Roman Concrete is significantly stronger than anything we make now. As in, to make anything even near its durability, we have to use steel-reinforced concrete, because normal concrete wont even get close. But no one knows how to make it! Even the ROMANS THEMSEVLES forgot how! And that is honestly the thing that terrifies me more about all of the push for "diversity" into all these industries. That some diversity hire is going to break something, and then no one knows how to fix it, and now we just have to live with inferior quality planes or steel.
Yep. Especially since I live in one of those places where the food comes from. Because speaking around here, the only shortages that have been noticed due to the supply line issues has been luxury items like electronics. All of the basics, like clothing, food, and fuel are readily available. And while fuel is more expensive than it used to be, everything else is actually largely the same price it has been and shows no sign of prices going up. So if the collapse comes, I will at least still be able to eat. Meanwhile, the cities will probably descend into absolute anarchy as people resort to extreme means because they cant exactly eat their brand new Iphone.
This is devastatingly stupid and they should be classified as terrorists for trying to cause widespread fires.
Correct. Literally the purpose of the prarie.
This is where my objections come in. Any good scientist should be stating this. Horticulture and Agricultural management is a major aspect of how to deal with climate change.
The danger in those areas is not that you'll starve, just that if the biome changes enough from the climate, some crops will no longer be profitable, and you might even have problems with soil nutrients, and you can't just dump and infinite number of fertilizers into land that's been over-farmed or over-grazed. If you genuinely change the rainfall patterns and growing seasons, a lot of shit starts to have a knock-on effect that could be really disruptive.