It's interesting how hard he keeps trying to hide his 'power level' knowing that his positions are so fundamentally repulsive to the general population that most people would reject him immediately out of hand.
Honestly, If he had any capacity for nuance instead of cultivation to outrage, he could make a genuine argument.
I've made the argument that universal suffrage should be ended and a property requirement be reintroduced, and I've also argued the point that political freedoms are far less relevant and important than political freedoms. These are sentiments that most people initially bristle against, but with a simple explanation they can at the very least appreciate the perspective.
Hell, I can stand here and make you an ethno-nationalist argument for Ireland; I'd base it off of an indigenous anti-colonial framework. And I can I probably get your average person to see the perspective of why women shouldn't have the right to vote (by explaining the problems of universal suffrage, and limiting the scope of governmental jurisdiction, and using the family as the base political unit besides the individual).
The problem with Nick, besides that he's not even a conservative, is that he isn't capable of making those arguments. He's rather just rant about "the femoids". It's worthless resentment pandering. It makes his self-aggrandizement even more patently stupid.
Fuentes does almost nothing to hide his power level, what are you talking about?
The only thing he's done recently is lay off the memeocaust references after getting banned from nearly everything for it.
He's openly against race mixing, against women in positions of power, anti-Israel, pro-Christian, etc.
I feel like you've never actually watched a stream or speech Fuentes has made and instead base your views around content others have made about him. Am I incorrect in this assumption?
I'm not going to listen to a full livestream of someone I don't like and don't respect. Instead, I've just listened to his rants and a good portion of the interview that OP linked.
He's openly against race mixing, against women in positions of power
He still had to be prompted and danced around it to see the reaction he could expect.
So you listened to cherry picked and edited segments put together by people that hate him?
If you actually listened to this interview you'd say none of what you said prior.
He still had to be prompted and danced around it to see the reaction he could expect.
Wrong.
When asked he answered directly immediately.
Your viewpoint is invariably tempered by leftist media whom you claim to be against.
That's pathetic.
I'm not going to listen to a full livestream of someone I don't like and don't respect
As aside:
You should do exactly that. I listen to a lot of ConInc grifter streams, leftist streams, and all kinds of other bullshit.
Doing such is the only way you can honestly address and respond to conflicting opinions.
I fucking hate Destiny and Hasan, but I'd be intellectually dishonest if I simply discarded their opinions without a second thought because of their reputation.
So you listened to cherry picked and edited segments put together by people that hate him?
No, people re-post clips of his stuff online. Even on YouTube. I actually sometimes get recommended his stuff (I assume before the channel hosting is inevitably banned).
When asked he answered directly immediately.
That wasn't my impression, but we've already seen I've been wrong once in the thread.
A Fascist, possibly National Socialist revolution.
As I said with Fuentes. A lot of power level hiding in most of their manifesto so that normies can be swayed. Same way that the Left talks about Equity as if it wasn't a word that wasn't to violently re-orient society according to Communist lines.
The National Socialists at Patriot Front are calling for the creation of an Ethical State to promote a sense of National Justice, not elaborating that an Ethical State is a fundamentally Fascist concept, and National Justice is a more recent invention because the Bolshevik Socialists already took Racial Justice. A violent revolution to turn the US into a Fascist Race State is something that is so fundamentally unamerican, that it would be patriotic to violently oppose it with all necessary lethal force, as you would any other Leftist revolution.
Collective Liberty is another evil Leftist redefinition of words so that things mean the opposite. Liberty, through the American sense is a guarantee of individual Liberty. Collective Liberty is simply a call for Collectivism which explicitly destroys individual Liberty. It is a mockery for the next line to claim that Collective Liberty is freedom from forces seeking submission, when the term itself is a totalitarian demand for absolute submission... and it is the patriotic duty of every American to violently oppose such a thing.
The opposition to Civic Nationalism is another unamerican and traitorous position to take, since the US is founded off of a Civic National identity that combined all of the different peoples of different religions and colonies within the British Empire. What an insult it is for a Leftist organization like Patriot Front to laughably claim the importance of heritage to founding peoples, but then also claim that being part of a "pan-European identity" is somehow good enough. A pre-1776 black American isn't part of the PF's concept of a "nation", but a recent immigrant from Finland is. A German would undoubtedly be considered a real American, despite them most likely being a descendant of invading mercenary forces. And of course, any American who supports the foundational English Liberal Philosophy of the country would undoubtedly be labeled a race traitor, because the American Identity apparently comes from fucking Marx, Hagel, and Hitler. Fascism is a European Import that needs to get behind the wall with all the other garbage we don't need from Europe, like all the other forms of Socialism.
This at least answers the question of whether they are Fascist or National Socialist. They are National Socialist, which is the height of unamerican without being a Monarchist. All ethnic differences are simply subverted into some garbage "Pan-European" progressive racial identity tied only to a creed of Socialism, while pretending to give a shit about "heritage". At least a Fascist would recognize Civic Nationalism as a unifying identity under the state, but they can't even do that.
AMERICA IS DEAD, LONG LIVE AMERICA
That's a call to a violent revolution if I've ever seen one. When you mix in the likelihood of racial violence and pogroms like your friends in BLM, I'd say a vigours and violent defense is required.
The form and being of our great nation will be something that is rooted firmly in the natural laws that bind humanity to reason.
Oh goody, more continental European philosophy in the form of Hegel. That's real American. About as American as Volkswagen.
However, it must be noted that you exist as an individual, but you do so in accordance with your family, community, nation, and race.
Eat shit and die. I don't need some Fascist fuckwit explaining my obligations to me, let alone his assertions about what my obligation to the 'race' he just made up are.
These chucklefucks don't even deserve to be called Ethno-Nationalists. There's no ethnicity to them. It's the intentional destruction of the actual American identity based in English Liberal Philosophy, and (by your own words) the mongrelization and homogenization of different European ethnic groups, in order to racialize them into some abstract "Pan-European" globo homo bullshit better suited to the "Good Europeans" of the EU. No American owes anything to this utterly fictional racial category of "Pan-European" when it's a purely political concept dedicated to international Socialism of Europe.
American isn't "pan-European" it's American. Stop trying to redefine words you fucking pinkos.
I think that's good enough for now. I've had enough of this fucking tripe.
Tribes can't be honest with themselves so they have to justify with the long meandering essay that ultimately avoids answering the question they are asked. You see that a lot if you watch the supreme court hearing where a senator asks a guilty party simple yes or no question, they always have this long-winded explanation that says nothing.
You do know America First (Nick Fuentes' brand) is a completely separate "organization" (in quotes because it isn't really organized) than Patriot Front. PF is generally agreed to be 100% feds and retarded "recruits" who will soon be framed for something.
It's interesting how hard he keeps trying to hide his 'power level' knowing that his positions are so fundamentally repulsive to the general population that most people would reject him immediately out of hand.
Honestly, If he had any capacity for nuance instead of cultivation to outrage, he could make a genuine argument.
I've made the argument that universal suffrage should be ended and a property requirement be reintroduced, and I've also argued the point that political freedoms are far less relevant and important than political freedoms. These are sentiments that most people initially bristle against, but with a simple explanation they can at the very least appreciate the perspective.
Hell, I can stand here and make you an ethno-nationalist argument for Ireland; I'd base it off of an indigenous anti-colonial framework. And I can I probably get your average person to see the perspective of why women shouldn't have the right to vote (by explaining the problems of universal suffrage, and limiting the scope of governmental jurisdiction, and using the family as the base political unit besides the individual).
The problem with Nick, besides that he's not even a conservative, is that he isn't capable of making those arguments. He's rather just rant about "the femoids". It's worthless resentment pandering. It makes his self-aggrandizement even more patently stupid.
Fuentes does almost nothing to hide his power level, what are you talking about?
The only thing he's done recently is lay off the memeocaust references after getting banned from nearly everything for it.
He's openly against race mixing, against women in positions of power, anti-Israel, pro-Christian, etc.
I feel like you've never actually watched a stream or speech Fuentes has made and instead base your views around content others have made about him. Am I incorrect in this assumption?
I'm not going to listen to a full livestream of someone I don't like and don't respect. Instead, I've just listened to his rants and a good portion of the interview that OP linked.
He still had to be prompted and danced around it to see the reaction he could expect.
So you listened to cherry picked and edited segments put together by people that hate him?
If you actually listened to this interview you'd say none of what you said prior.
Wrong.
When asked he answered directly immediately.
Your viewpoint is invariably tempered by leftist media whom you claim to be against.
That's pathetic.
As aside:
You should do exactly that. I listen to a lot of ConInc grifter streams, leftist streams, and all kinds of other bullshit.
Doing such is the only way you can honestly address and respond to conflicting opinions.
I fucking hate Destiny and Hasan, but I'd be intellectually dishonest if I simply discarded their opinions without a second thought because of their reputation.
No, people re-post clips of his stuff online. Even on YouTube. I actually sometimes get recommended his stuff (I assume before the channel hosting is inevitably banned).
That wasn't my impression, but we've already seen I've been wrong once in the thread.
Funny how he is against race mixing with a surname like Fuentes.
Which positions are those?
A Fascist, possibly National Socialist revolution.
As I said with Fuentes. A lot of power level hiding in most of their manifesto so that normies can be swayed. Same way that the Left talks about Equity as if it wasn't a word that wasn't to violently re-orient society according to Communist lines.
The National Socialists at Patriot Front are calling for the creation of an Ethical State to promote a sense of National Justice, not elaborating that an Ethical State is a fundamentally Fascist concept, and National Justice is a more recent invention because the Bolshevik Socialists already took Racial Justice. A violent revolution to turn the US into a Fascist Race State is something that is so fundamentally unamerican, that it would be patriotic to violently oppose it with all necessary lethal force, as you would any other Leftist revolution.
Collective Liberty is another evil Leftist redefinition of words so that things mean the opposite. Liberty, through the American sense is a guarantee of individual Liberty. Collective Liberty is simply a call for Collectivism which explicitly destroys individual Liberty. It is a mockery for the next line to claim that Collective Liberty is freedom from forces seeking submission, when the term itself is a totalitarian demand for absolute submission... and it is the patriotic duty of every American to violently oppose such a thing.
The opposition to Civic Nationalism is another unamerican and traitorous position to take, since the US is founded off of a Civic National identity that combined all of the different peoples of different religions and colonies within the British Empire. What an insult it is for a Leftist organization like Patriot Front to laughably claim the importance of heritage to founding peoples, but then also claim that being part of a "pan-European identity" is somehow good enough. A pre-1776 black American isn't part of the PF's concept of a "nation", but a recent immigrant from Finland is. A German would undoubtedly be considered a real American, despite them most likely being a descendant of invading mercenary forces. And of course, any American who supports the foundational English Liberal Philosophy of the country would undoubtedly be labeled a race traitor, because the American Identity apparently comes from fucking Marx, Hagel, and Hitler. Fascism is a European Import that needs to get behind the wall with all the other garbage we don't need from Europe, like all the other forms of Socialism.
This at least answers the question of whether they are Fascist or National Socialist. They are National Socialist, which is the height of unamerican without being a Monarchist. All ethnic differences are simply subverted into some garbage "Pan-European" progressive racial identity tied only to a creed of Socialism, while pretending to give a shit about "heritage". At least a Fascist would recognize Civic Nationalism as a unifying identity under the state, but they can't even do that.
That's a call to a violent revolution if I've ever seen one. When you mix in the likelihood of racial violence and pogroms like your friends in BLM, I'd say a vigours and violent defense is required.
Oh goody, more continental European philosophy in the form of Hegel. That's real American. About as American as Volkswagen.
Eat shit and die. I don't need some Fascist fuckwit explaining my obligations to me, let alone his assertions about what my obligation to the 'race' he just made up are.
These chucklefucks don't even deserve to be called Ethno-Nationalists. There's no ethnicity to them. It's the intentional destruction of the actual American identity based in English Liberal Philosophy, and (by your own words) the mongrelization and homogenization of different European ethnic groups, in order to racialize them into some abstract "Pan-European" globo homo bullshit better suited to the "Good Europeans" of the EU. No American owes anything to this utterly fictional racial category of "Pan-European" when it's a purely political concept dedicated to international Socialism of Europe.
American isn't "pan-European" it's American. Stop trying to redefine words you fucking pinkos.
I think that's good enough for now. I've had enough of this fucking tripe.
Bro you just sperged out on a completely different question than was asked.
Tribes can't be honest with themselves so they have to justify with the long meandering essay that ultimately avoids answering the question they are asked. You see that a lot if you watch the supreme court hearing where a senator asks a guilty party simple yes or no question, they always have this long-winded explanation that says nothing.
Huh. You're right.
my bad
You do know America First (Nick Fuentes' brand) is a completely separate "organization" (in quotes because it isn't really organized) than Patriot Front. PF is generally agreed to be 100% feds and retarded "recruits" who will soon be framed for something.
I admit to replying to the wrong post. Sorry about that.