Wow! Never had the Gamergate moment IRL. I assumed people in the real world didn't give a fuck about Gamergate and that it was just an internet thing.
The most I've ever had is one moment with a feminist at Sydney University. I was frequently there every Saturday for Japanese Lessons via Community College. I had a Cannibal Holocaust sticker on the back of my iPad and was sitting outside.
The Cannibal Holocaust sticker was a cartoon version of the infamous image of the naked girl impaled on the pole as drawn by a Japanese friend of mine.
It was a really cool cartoon version of what is arguably the most iconic image in Cannibal Holocaust.
Anyways, I was sitting there at a table minding my own business reading text book on iPad when this purple haired frumpy girl came up to me and asked me "what the hell is that?" in regards to the sticker on the back of my iPad.
I told her "It's an iPad. What else would it be?"
"NO! The STICKER! That filthy sticker! Do you know how sexist and degrading that is?"
Me: "It's just a cartoon...it's not the real image."
Her: <raising her voice> "I don't fucking care! It's still fucking degrading and misogynistic as all hell and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself for having it on your fucking iPad!"
Me: "<shrugs> it's my iPad...I paid for it. I'll decorate it however I like, but thanks for your input."
Her: "Fine! You want to scream "I'm a misogynistic pig!" then go right ahead!"
Me: "Okay...then would you call the female artist who drew this image a misogynist? Because it was a female artist who drew this cartoon version and I happen to really like her artwork and she is a friend of mine."
Her: "Yeah fucking right! No self respecting woman would draw that shit!"
Me: "But a woman did draw it! Her name is Utomaru. Her artwork is awesome and I'm proudly displaying her art on my iPad because I really like it."
Her: "WHATEVER YOU FUCKING PIG! YOU'RE STILL A FUCKING MISOGYNIST!"
And then she waddled off in a huff...I still wish to this day I had been filming it...it was hilarious to me that someone could get so offended by a cartoon version of that image. And yes, the image was actually drawn by a woman...so I wasn't making that up. :D
Her: "WHATEVER YOU FUCKING PIG! YOU'RE STILL A FUCKING MISOGYNIST!"
Seems like a good summary of their beliefs.
I still wish to this day I had been filming it...
Good man. Ideally, one would also restart the conversation with something like "sorry, what was that?" so the first statement would not be lost either.
I don't know the amount of nudity on the sticker but I would also find this disconcerting. I never watched this particular video nasty but I believe I have seen the still you're talking about, know the film's infamy for some rape scene and real animal cruelty and would genuinely be disturbed by it knowing what I do about the film. Now you have the right to put whatever you want on your property but if you're out in public, people, including kids can see that and you shouldn't expose them to it. That a woman drew it doesn't matter. I don't know if I would call you misogynistic, but some of those filmmakers of that era in Italian cinema definitely were. So, she may have very well been making a scene for a scene's sake, or disturbed and handled it wrong, but I'm not being hyperbolic here when I say, yeah, that would creep me out. Again though, you're property and no one should make a scene like that person did.
Yeah, look I see your point. It is in many ways a "tasteless" image. Personally I'm not offended by it, nor do I see it screaming "misogynist" (well, about me anyways)...but I do see your point to some degree about being out in public and someone else having the right to offense. I mean I certainly wouldn't deny someone the right to be offended and I wouldn't even mind if someone came up and had a civil discourse about it, either. But the keywords there being civil discourse.
Personally, I'm not a misogynist. I don't hate women. I had mixed up feelings for a long time based on something that happened to me as a kid (ahhh fuck it, I'll just say it. I was molested by a woman as a kid.)...but I've dealt with it in therapy and have come out the other end to realize that one persons shitty actions are not representative of the entire gender and you can't hate the entire gender because of one fucking asshole.
But anyways, I do see your point...I just thought the outburst was amusing to me. Personally speaking, I just like the image and have always been into weird vulgar imagery. It's not that I go out of my way to offend, I just happen to like offensive shit and have no issue displaying that like of mine. Probably why I gravitated to horror films and Cannibal Corpse as a kid because of all the grotesque imagery and me just having a liking for it....and it was an outlet of sorts for repressed thoughts.
I'm sorry that someone hurt you like that. You were not responsible and should not feel you have to rush to straighten out your feelings so that some crazy harpy isn't offended. It's natural when someone is abused to fear the demographic that did it, women mention this all the time, but don't give males the same courtesy. Having anyone scream at you in public like some crazed person (who could potentially get violent) is enough to upset most people and you handled it better than most would. You're not a misogynist, they over use that word anytime they don't like something, it's thrown round in hopes of scaring their target into obeying, ignore it. People like horror movies, it is theorized, because it sort of helps better prepare us for bad things, so we can survive them, or so we can survive them the next time. So it's not a wonder that you or anyone would like horror films (and why they are so popular now with our societies going to hell). I tend to stay away from stuff like CH but have seen several other films on the video nasty list, which I'm looking over again now. Having seen some of those films recently it's amazing to me that they were categorized with CH. Shows you that "tasteless" can be very subjective and to really think about it before giving into any objectors.
Wow! Never had the Gamergate moment IRL. I assumed people in the real world didn't give a fuck about Gamergate and that it was just an internet thing.
The most I've ever had is one moment with a feminist at Sydney University. I was frequently there every Saturday for Japanese Lessons via Community College. I had a Cannibal Holocaust sticker on the back of my iPad and was sitting outside.
The Cannibal Holocaust sticker was a cartoon version of the infamous image of the naked girl impaled on the pole as drawn by a Japanese friend of mine.
It was a really cool cartoon version of what is arguably the most iconic image in Cannibal Holocaust.
Anyways, I was sitting there at a table minding my own business reading text book on iPad when this purple haired frumpy girl came up to me and asked me "what the hell is that?" in regards to the sticker on the back of my iPad.
I told her "It's an iPad. What else would it be?"
"NO! The STICKER! That filthy sticker! Do you know how sexist and degrading that is?"
Me: "It's just a cartoon...it's not the real image."
Her: <raising her voice> "I don't fucking care! It's still fucking degrading and misogynistic as all hell and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself for having it on your fucking iPad!"
Me: "<shrugs> it's my iPad...I paid for it. I'll decorate it however I like, but thanks for your input."
Her: "Fine! You want to scream "I'm a misogynistic pig!" then go right ahead!"
Me: "Okay...then would you call the female artist who drew this image a misogynist? Because it was a female artist who drew this cartoon version and I happen to really like her artwork and she is a friend of mine."
Her: "Yeah fucking right! No self respecting woman would draw that shit!"
Me: "But a woman did draw it! Her name is Utomaru. Her artwork is awesome and I'm proudly displaying her art on my iPad because I really like it."
Her: "WHATEVER YOU FUCKING PIG! YOU'RE STILL A FUCKING MISOGYNIST!"
And then she waddled off in a huff...I still wish to this day I had been filming it...it was hilarious to me that someone could get so offended by a cartoon version of that image. And yes, the image was actually drawn by a woman...so I wasn't making that up. :D
how fat was "she"
Seems like a good summary of their beliefs.
Good man. Ideally, one would also restart the conversation with something like "sorry, what was that?" so the first statement would not be lost either.
I don't know the amount of nudity on the sticker but I would also find this disconcerting. I never watched this particular video nasty but I believe I have seen the still you're talking about, know the film's infamy for some rape scene and real animal cruelty and would genuinely be disturbed by it knowing what I do about the film. Now you have the right to put whatever you want on your property but if you're out in public, people, including kids can see that and you shouldn't expose them to it. That a woman drew it doesn't matter. I don't know if I would call you misogynistic, but some of those filmmakers of that era in Italian cinema definitely were. So, she may have very well been making a scene for a scene's sake, or disturbed and handled it wrong, but I'm not being hyperbolic here when I say, yeah, that would creep me out. Again though, you're property and no one should make a scene like that person did.
Yeah, look I see your point. It is in many ways a "tasteless" image. Personally I'm not offended by it, nor do I see it screaming "misogynist" (well, about me anyways)...but I do see your point to some degree about being out in public and someone else having the right to offense. I mean I certainly wouldn't deny someone the right to be offended and I wouldn't even mind if someone came up and had a civil discourse about it, either. But the keywords there being civil discourse.
Personally, I'm not a misogynist. I don't hate women. I had mixed up feelings for a long time based on something that happened to me as a kid (ahhh fuck it, I'll just say it. I was molested by a woman as a kid.)...but I've dealt with it in therapy and have come out the other end to realize that one persons shitty actions are not representative of the entire gender and you can't hate the entire gender because of one fucking asshole.
But anyways, I do see your point...I just thought the outburst was amusing to me. Personally speaking, I just like the image and have always been into weird vulgar imagery. It's not that I go out of my way to offend, I just happen to like offensive shit and have no issue displaying that like of mine. Probably why I gravitated to horror films and Cannibal Corpse as a kid because of all the grotesque imagery and me just having a liking for it....and it was an outlet of sorts for repressed thoughts.
I'm sorry that someone hurt you like that. You were not responsible and should not feel you have to rush to straighten out your feelings so that some crazy harpy isn't offended. It's natural when someone is abused to fear the demographic that did it, women mention this all the time, but don't give males the same courtesy. Having anyone scream at you in public like some crazed person (who could potentially get violent) is enough to upset most people and you handled it better than most would. You're not a misogynist, they over use that word anytime they don't like something, it's thrown round in hopes of scaring their target into obeying, ignore it. People like horror movies, it is theorized, because it sort of helps better prepare us for bad things, so we can survive them, or so we can survive them the next time. So it's not a wonder that you or anyone would like horror films (and why they are so popular now with our societies going to hell). I tend to stay away from stuff like CH but have seen several other films on the video nasty list, which I'm looking over again now. Having seen some of those films recently it's amazing to me that they were categorized with CH. Shows you that "tasteless" can be very subjective and to really think about it before giving into any objectors.