There's no need. You can support the police and still be critical of them.
The police in Melbourne for instance are awful people across the board. The shit I've been watching come out of there is seriously digusting; however, they're not the only police and I'm not going to make vast generalizations because there's a few bad cops.
There's bad people in every group without exception. Bad people simply exist. That should be something that's inherently understood more than something that needs to be explicitly stated.
Blind support of police is folly. Support needs be conditional.
I can only surmise that you support the idea, the concept of police, because no one in Melbourne or Australia more generally should support the police right now.
I never said blind support; don't put words in my mouth.
Of course I support the idea of police. You'd have to be someone who's never lived in a seriously shitty area to not support them. Watch some grade school children getting killed, an old man or woman having their home broken into and getting beaten to death and robbed, gangs recruiting kids to sell drugs and beating the shit out of them for refusing, the pain and suffering overall of living in an area completely dominated by crime, and you'd naturally support the idea.
Police are not a monolith. No group is a monolith. You can support a group and still outright condemn the worst parts of it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
This retarded all or nothing, binary, black and white, worldview that people have adopted the last 10 years or so is completely retarded.
Nuance exists. The world is not black and white but takes place everywhere in between.
Did I or did I not say that in Melbourne they're awful people across the board? Did you even bother reading what I wrote?
No it's not. That's absolutely silly. Don't try and put words in my mouth about what I am and am not saying to try and make your point. It's completely disingenuous.
How many times, exactly, do I need to mention that I don't support what they're doing in Australia?
Do you think I'm going to suddenly begin shitting on police in America because of it? That's ridiculous. I'll shit on bad police and I'll support good police — it's a simple concept. You can do both simultaneously; they're not mutually exclusive.
Once again, the police are not a monolith. Nuance exists in the world. We don't live in a world of binary choices.
There are over 700,000 police officers in the US — which reaches over a million if you include other staff as well — who have an untold number of encounters with the public each and every year that would number in the tens or hundreds of millions total. If you think I'm going to judge all of them with a broad brush because some cop gets caught being an asshole then you're going to be disappointed, because doing that is completely retarded.
Every single measurement we take suggests that the ones you dislike are the exception rather than the rule — not the other way around.
So stop with the lame gaslighting. You have nothing to base the view that "they're almost all bad" on other than hate-fantasies promulgated by media.
All you ever see is the times they do something bad and cherry-pick that; that's all most of us are ever shown. You're not looking for the millions upon millions of times when they do their job right. Why would they show that? It doesn't drive views or rageclicks.
The police in Melbourne are showing succinctly that they're not worth supporting at any level whatsoever. They should be condemned and the people should justifiably fight back against them. They're supporting politicians and corporations over the people they swore to serve and protect. The chant the mantra to themselves of, "it's my job" or "this is what I'm paid to do" as if it justifies their pernicious authoritarianism. How many throughout history have said the same thing to excuse the atrocities that they participated in?
There's been entire studies done on this topic, too, after WW2. One little known fact about WW2, was that the police and soldiers who rounded up people were allowed to say no at any time if they didn't want to participate. There would be no punishment at all. The thing is, that very few people actually chose this option. The majority of those who did participate in those atrocities did so not only because "it was my job" but because they felt beholden to other Police Officers/Soldiers and didn't want them to "carry the burden alone."
That's likely where the heads of the Police in Melbourne are right now. They're no different than the people they've always pretended that they hate.
In America, during this Covid bullshit, we've had numbers Police Chiefs and Sheriffs come out and explicitly state: "We will not enforce your unconstitutional mandates or restrictions" and they've kept true to that word.
There's no need. You can support the police and still be critical of them.
The police in Melbourne for instance are awful people across the board. The shit I've been watching come out of there is seriously digusting; however, they're not the only police and I'm not going to make vast generalizations because there's a few bad cops.
There's bad people in every group without exception. Bad people simply exist. That should be something that's inherently understood more than something that needs to be explicitly stated.
The cops are under the control of the politicians, that is were the blame properly lies.
Blind support of police is folly. Support needs be conditional.
I can only surmise that you support the idea, the concept of police, because no one in Melbourne or Australia more generally should support the police right now.
I never said blind support; don't put words in my mouth.
Of course I support the idea of police. You'd have to be someone who's never lived in a seriously shitty area to not support them. Watch some grade school children getting killed, an old man or woman having their home broken into and getting beaten to death and robbed, gangs recruiting kids to sell drugs and beating the shit out of them for refusing, the pain and suffering overall of living in an area completely dominated by crime, and you'd naturally support the idea.
Police are not a monolith. No group is a monolith. You can support a group and still outright condemn the worst parts of it. The two are not mutually exclusive.
This retarded all or nothing, binary, black and white, worldview that people have adopted the last 10 years or so is completely retarded.
Nuance exists. The world is not black and white but takes place everywhere in between.
Did I or did I not say that in Melbourne they're awful people across the board? Did you even bother reading what I wrote?
Supporting the police is a distinct position from supporting the concept of police.
Don't conflate the two.
Supporting the police when they are carrying out evil is immoral.
The police who are worth supporting are the minority in the current era. They are the exception rather than the rule.
No it's not. That's absolutely silly. Don't try and put words in my mouth about what I am and am not saying to try and make your point. It's completely disingenuous.
How many times, exactly, do I need to mention that I don't support what they're doing in Australia?
Do you think I'm going to suddenly begin shitting on police in America because of it? That's ridiculous. I'll shit on bad police and I'll support good police — it's a simple concept. You can do both simultaneously; they're not mutually exclusive.
Once again, the police are not a monolith. Nuance exists in the world. We don't live in a world of binary choices.
There are over 700,000 police officers in the US — which reaches over a million if you include other staff as well — who have an untold number of encounters with the public each and every year that would number in the tens or hundreds of millions total. If you think I'm going to judge all of them with a broad brush because some cop gets caught being an asshole then you're going to be disappointed, because doing that is completely retarded.
Every single measurement we take suggests that the ones you dislike are the exception rather than the rule — not the other way around.
So stop with the lame gaslighting. You have nothing to base the view that "they're almost all bad" on other than hate-fantasies promulgated by media.
All you ever see is the times they do something bad and cherry-pick that; that's all most of us are ever shown. You're not looking for the millions upon millions of times when they do their job right. Why would they show that? It doesn't drive views or rageclicks.
The police in Melbourne are showing succinctly that they're not worth supporting at any level whatsoever. They should be condemned and the people should justifiably fight back against them. They're supporting politicians and corporations over the people they swore to serve and protect. The chant the mantra to themselves of, "it's my job" or "this is what I'm paid to do" as if it justifies their pernicious authoritarianism. How many throughout history have said the same thing to excuse the atrocities that they participated in?
There's been entire studies done on this topic, too, after WW2. One little known fact about WW2, was that the police and soldiers who rounded up people were allowed to say no at any time if they didn't want to participate. There would be no punishment at all. The thing is, that very few people actually chose this option. The majority of those who did participate in those atrocities did so not only because "it was my job" but because they felt beholden to other Police Officers/Soldiers and didn't want them to "carry the burden alone."
That's likely where the heads of the Police in Melbourne are right now. They're no different than the people they've always pretended that they hate.
In America, during this Covid bullshit, we've had numbers Police Chiefs and Sheriffs come out and explicitly state: "We will not enforce your unconstitutional mandates or restrictions" and they've kept true to that word.