Interestingly, I had the same situation on the other side of the world, recently...
In Aus, if you're a full or even part-time worker, it is relatively difficult to fire you (because we don't have "at will" employment here, per se)...
So guess what employers did? They made everyone casual, or a "temp", no matter how many hours you're actually working, or how long you've been there...
Hence, in my horrible, but relatively-well paid public service job, where we were literally forcibly kept in our chairs by threat of termination (yes, it's illegal, but they didn't care), as soon as I stood up to my boss? Terminated on the spot, with no notice, and no recourse. And then humiliated and chased out of the building.
So yeah, amid all this, I stood up to the prick, and he threatened to punch me, and call the police to have me charged with trespass, if I "Didn't leave the building immediately"... This being before I even managed to get all my stuff out of the break room, mind...
Obviously I launched an official complaint, the same day, but do you think it went anywhere? Lol, of course fucking not...
So yeah, just thought I would, uhh, share that one, to say that this very much does happen in a country widely considered more "socialist" than America, with a "better" social safety net, and supposedly better employee "protections"...
Oh, and this was (older) white male on (younger) white male, btw, so... Can't really blame minority groups for that one, soz. Though he did specifically treat his female employees much, uhh, "better" (i.e. he was a creep), and certainly treated those employees his age (Boomer) much better than he treated me... But nonetheless. Guy was just a cunt, enabled by a system which rewards cunts (the public service).
But anyway, everyone knows about it, and the government/s (of all stripes) and courts literally could not even pretend to give less of a shit, lololol... :-(
Good perspective. In the US HR rather than government policy makes it hard to fire an employee.
I was talking with a manager friend about the relative ease of hiring temps/contractors vs. full-time and commented that "in 20 years we'll probably all be temporary". He was surprised by this and responded "but don't you see the value in a company having full-time employees?"
My response was "yes but what you incentivize you get more of, and right now all the incentives are heavily skewed towards hiring temps"
Interestingly, I had the same situation on the other side of the world, recently...
In Aus, if you're a full or even part-time worker, it is relatively difficult to fire you (because we don't have "at will" employment here, per se)...
So guess what employers did? They made everyone casual, or a "temp", no matter how many hours you're actually working, or how long you've been there...
Hence, in my horrible, but relatively-well paid public service job, where we were literally forcibly kept in our chairs by threat of termination (yes, it's illegal, but they didn't care), as soon as I stood up to my boss? Terminated on the spot, with no notice, and no recourse. And then humiliated and chased out of the building.
So yeah, amid all this, I stood up to the prick, and he threatened to punch me, and call the police to have me charged with trespass, if I "Didn't leave the building immediately"... This being before I even managed to get all my stuff out of the break room, mind...
Obviously I launched an official complaint, the same day, but do you think it went anywhere? Lol, of course fucking not...
So yeah, just thought I would, uhh, share that one, to say that this very much does happen in a country widely considered more "socialist" than America, with a "better" social safety net, and supposedly better employee "protections"...
Oh, and this was (older) white male on (younger) white male, btw, so... Can't really blame minority groups for that one, soz. Though he did specifically treat his female employees much, uhh, "better" (i.e. he was a creep), and certainly treated those employees his age (Boomer) much better than he treated me... But nonetheless. Guy was just a cunt, enabled by a system which rewards cunts (the public service).
Anyway, yeah. That's my story for the day, lol.
Further reading on this issue (here), if anyone wants it: https://newintrigue.com/2018/06/13/the-systematic-mistreatment-of-casual-workers/
But anyway, everyone knows about it, and the government/s (of all stripes) and courts literally could not even pretend to give less of a shit, lololol... :-(
Good perspective. In the US HR rather than government policy makes it hard to fire an employee.
I was talking with a manager friend about the relative ease of hiring temps/contractors vs. full-time and commented that "in 20 years we'll probably all be temporary". He was surprised by this and responded "but don't you see the value in a company having full-time employees?"
My response was "yes but what you incentivize you get more of, and right now all the incentives are heavily skewed towards hiring temps"
Interesting that you already have that in Aus.