Actually, reading up on it more over the last couple of days, the stretch from downtown Tulsa and into Greenwood main street was considered the vice area, where you could find booze and prostitutes. So yeah... my initial impression seems to be increasingly validated the more I read.
Anyway, I attribute crime to race, because that's what you see in every fucking socioeconomic decile but the absolute top, which as even you acknowledge filters out the worst anti-social behaviors. Your worldview only works in extreme cases, which would cause a rational person to question its validity.
Vice in Tulsa existed primarily on the borders—the outer edges of town and the areas between downtown and Greenwood on First Street and near the Frisco railroad depot. Rooming houses were sites around which much of the vice activity in Tulsa revolved. These existed in Greenwood as well. In a 1921 Report on Vice Conditions in Tulsa, agents reported visiting rooming houses in Greenwood as well as other areas of Tulsa, where they gambled, procured booze, and the company of women. Influential Tulsans—both blackand white—owned a number of these houses. Among them were O.W. Gurley in Greenwood and Tate Brady, a white Tulsan who was instrumental in bringing the Ku Klux Klan into the city. The report noted that much of the vice activity occurred under the noses of Tulsa policemen, who turned a blind eye. The agents who wrote this report appeared less concerned with the illegal activities of those they encountered in their undercover work and were more focused on looking into the role of the Tulsa Police Force in the prevalence of vice within the city.
That's it?
Seriously?!! You took "clearly Greenwood was a hive of scum and villany" from '1920's vice market occurred on in the red-light district on the edge of Greenwood'.
Come the fuck on, man. The only thing out of place in that statement is that those establishments weren't owned by the fucking mob.
I get that we're not gonna find any good, hard, statistics, but this is reaching. What you're describing is standard procedure for any American city in 1920.
In a 1920 report, the Colored Public Health Nurse of Tulsa wrote that one outdoor toilet was shared by eight houses—and one of those houses had eleven rooms. Only six blocks of Greenwood’s streets were paved and on the ditch-lined, dirt roads of the remaining twenty-nine blocks, cows, chickens, dogs, and other animals roamed freely.117 Another report written that same year by the American Association of Social Workers stated that while the report painted “a rather dismal picture, the colored community has very outstanding assets—its people.”
Seems to capture the reality of Greenwood pretty well.
"clearly Greenwood was a hive of scum and villany"
Your words. Not mine.
It was a prosperous middle-class neighborhood.
Your words. Not mine.
The truth is in the middle. Stop being so hyperbolic.
This one's gonna take a while, but I'm happy to look it over. Concerned about PSU, though.
Your worldview only works in extreme cases, which would cause a rational person to question its validity.
I don't have a weltanschauung as you imagine it. You still seem to think that I asserted that poverty was the corollary of crime, but it isn't. I just know that some impact on interpersonal violent crime at particularly large magnitudes.
Good. Me neither. But I've compared crime rates of random meth infested WV and KY former coal towns, and can't seem to find any place in the black belt with similar population and unemployment that comes close with black populations over 35%. I'm looking for the unicorn, too, believe it or not. Not that it's representative, but I'd love some contrary evidence.
When I speak of genetic inclination, it's only relevant towards impulsive acts. I fully believe whites and asians are more predisposed to premeditated crime, though it's not something I've looked too deeply into. But premeditation speaks to reason, so it makes sense. It's also doesn't seem to be the primary problem with violence.
Actually, reading up on it more over the last couple of days, the stretch from downtown Tulsa and into Greenwood main street was considered the vice area, where you could find booze and prostitutes. So yeah... my initial impression seems to be increasingly validated the more I read.
https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5631&context=open_access_etds
Pages 37-39 if you're interested.
Anyway, I attribute crime to race, because that's what you see in every fucking socioeconomic decile but the absolute top, which as even you acknowledge filters out the worst anti-social behaviors. Your worldview only works in extreme cases, which would cause a rational person to question its validity.
That's it?
Seriously?!! You took "clearly Greenwood was a hive of scum and villany" from '1920's vice market occurred on in the red-light district on the edge of Greenwood'.
Come the fuck on, man. The only thing out of place in that statement is that those establishments weren't owned by the fucking mob.
I get that we're not gonna find any good, hard, statistics, but this is reaching. What you're describing is standard procedure for any American city in 1920.
No, you're being intentionally obtuse.
Here's probably the most relevant bit.
Seems to capture the reality of Greenwood pretty well.
Your words. Not mine.
Your words. Not mine.
The truth is in the middle. Stop being so hyperbolic.
This one's gonna take a while, but I'm happy to look it over. Concerned about PSU, though.
I don't have a weltanschauung as you imagine it. You still seem to think that I asserted that poverty was the corollary of crime, but it isn't. I just know that some impact on interpersonal violent crime at particularly large magnitudes.
Good. Me neither. But I've compared crime rates of random meth infested WV and KY former coal towns, and can't seem to find any place in the black belt with similar population and unemployment that comes close with black populations over 35%. I'm looking for the unicorn, too, believe it or not. Not that it's representative, but I'd love some contrary evidence.
When I speak of genetic inclination, it's only relevant towards impulsive acts. I fully believe whites and asians are more predisposed to premeditated crime, though it's not something I've looked too deeply into. But premeditation speaks to reason, so it makes sense. It's also doesn't seem to be the primary problem with violence.