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posted 4 years ago by lTentacleMonsterl 4 years ago by lTentacleMonsterl +46 / -1
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– Gizortnik 6 points 4 years ago +11 / -5

It's not about embracing it, it's about acknowledging who you are and what makes you who you are.

If you think your skin color makes you who you are, you are promoting the bio-leninism that will destroy you.

There are countless answers he could have given that are much better than this one; I for one, would have also brought up my ethnicity - and the person he was talking to even gave him some examples, but all he's done is to complain about characterization of whites by rad libs, and then re-assert liberal individualism.

Good.

Although I, too, would have gone a different way. Reverse the question and have him answer what's positive about being black, and tear him to shreds no matter what he says.

It's a rhetorical trap.

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– Gizortnik 0 points 4 years ago +4 / -4

You're right, your ideology is clouding your judgement. You're arguing against a point I didn't make as if I were a normie.

I didn't even allege that all races were equal, or that there were no genetic differences between races. There has to be, that's one of the reasons people are different colors.

That doesn't change my point that the genetic differences between races are not the sole, or even primary, explanation for the disparity of behaviors.

As I said here, racialism will promote the bio-leninism you hope to avoid with racialism, because you are denying personal responsibility and accountability for change and improvement.

While there are genetic limits to the capabilities of all individuals, the boundaries of those limits are so narrow in the mind of racial determinists that they think all behavior can be determined solely through genetics. This is demonstrably false, and not what any single geneticist would ever argue. Furthermore, there is still a problem with the categorizaiton of race because it is still only an inter-temporal statistical abstraction of mostly self-identifying individuals. It is not a good tool for measuring genetic sub-categories of humans.

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– Gizortnik 0 points 4 years ago +1 / -1

And did so for a reason, that is to attempt to make race irrelevant and denigrate its existence as being whatsoever meaningful, out of aforementioned reasons.

And that reason is because race is a terrible stand in for genetics because it doesn't even involve genetics, and is a statistical abstraction created mostly by the cultural perspective of different countries. Don't talk to me about the importance of genetics in a conversation about an intertemporal abstraction that involves different genetic groups, ethnicities, and is tied together by religions & languages.

Causal determinism is, in my view, the most reasonable approach to our existence (how it functions); I don't believe in free will, as commonly understood. It's also one of reasons why the notion of "voluntary trade" collapses, along with individualism, etc, but not the primary reason obviously. That, in no way whatsoever, negates personal "responsibility and accountability," and if it did it'd speak more about the ideology and politics that came to that conclusion, and less about reality of it.

Posh. It seems to me that your concept of Causal Determinism is basically another way of saying "Deconstructing Individuality". It's the intentional attack of individualism by rhetorical warfare. "If I can argue that something in environment contributed to you making a decision, then you didn't make the decision". It's the reversal of the deconstructionist argument on the concept of White Culture: "White Culture doesn't exist because I can argue that anything actually stems from something else, therefore nothing is inherently White, and therefore White Culture doesn't exist... ... ... until I redefine it as genocidal, psychopathic, theft".

You liked the weapon, you just didn't like what it was pointed at. All "Applied Post-Modernist" philosophical strains work like this.

It's a form of extended family, with many forms of it existing, including broader ones.

Garbage. Religion is a better allusion to an extended family unit then race is. At least then you can guarantee that you have a shared language and values.

Race isn't even useful enough to compare to the Political Science definition of Nation. And even though that may be an abstraction, it's definitional requirements meet enough of a standard that you know that you are forming a category around a fairly stable or well-identified social community. A race is even more broad, vague, and abstract then that! It's an abstraction of abstractions of abstractions, desperately attempting to smear away the distinctions of utterly dissimilar people through the use of broad-based statistical manipulation.

The concept of an extended social-family system is a clan, not a race. And a clan is far more of a refined category then even an ethnicity is.

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– MargarineMongoose 10 points 4 years ago +12 / -2

If you think your skin color

Oh here we go again with the absurd premise that race is just physical appearance.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 4 years ago +4 / -3

I never said that, but if you want me to be more specific, if you think the genetics that inform your skin color are the primary determining factor of your behavior, you will be rewarding poorly cultured bio-leninist whites with the ability to take credit for the success of other whites, and deny personal responsibility in improving themselves while blaming other races/ethnicities/lesser-whites for their failures.

Racialism is always designed to be an excuse wielded by useful idiots to enshrine the lead racialists into positions of power. It is nothing else.

When you excuse changing behavior by pointing at genetics, you promote individual unaccountability. You guarantee stagnation and decay, first among individuals, then among society.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

FFS.

THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT MONGOLOID MEANS YOU IDIOT

Why do I have to explain your own racism to you?

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– SparkMandrill83 1 point 4 years ago +2 / -1

Are Germans similar to Turks? Both are white

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– SparkMandrill83 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Cry about it, bitch. They literally are. Almost like "white" is not a real identity, huh?

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– SparkMandrill83 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

No fucking shit, moron. Which is why being proud of being "white" is jewish trickery, and you dopes still fall for it. There is no "White Identity" and there never will be. Anyone trying to claim one is just creating the scapegoat these people desperately want. Fucking wise up already.

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