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Kroog 16 points ago +17 / -1

"getting harder to reconcile differences"

She wants so bad to turn a blind eye to communists committing another genocide but they making it awkward for her. How thoughtless of them.

"New Zealand has stopped short of calling the Uyghur abuses genocide, language that the U.S. and some other countries have used."

Its litteraly genocide under the UNs own standards.

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TheImpossible1 [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

u/lTentacleMonsterl

I wonder if you expected this when you read that story.

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lTentacleMonsterl 1 point ago +5 / -4

Just same old Uighur stuff. The entire purpose of "human rights" is legitimizing imperialism, and most of western countries support it.

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Telia 6 points ago +6 / -0

Last time you also mentioned about that Chinese woman in NY posting "pro Uighur propaganda " in your wording. Do you actually think it's OK what China is doing to the Uighur? By majority standards it is in fact a genocide.

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lTentacleMonsterl -1 points ago +2 / -3

I don't believe there's much truth to it, but if I did my views would likely remain unchanged. Grayzone did a good job covering a lot of it, including where such narratives come from. For example:

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

Here's one of the studies on which claims re: Uighurs come from:

The first, by the US government-backed Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders, formed its estimate by interviewing a grand total of eight people.

And another:

Zenz arrived at his estimate “over 1 million” in a dubious manner. He based it on a single report by Istiqlal TV, a Uyghur exile media organization based in Turkey, which was republished by Newsweek Japan. Far from an impartial journalistic organization, Istiqlal TV advances the separatist cause while playing host to an assortment of extremist figures.

Zenz pads this data by citing reports from Radio Free Asia, a US-funded news agency created by the CIA during the Cold War to propagandize against China.

While admitting that “there is no certainty” to his estimate, he has concluded that it is nevertheless “reasonable to speculate.” He attempted to evade personal responsibility for the figure’s questionable reliability, however, by stating “[t]he accuracy of this estimate is of course predicated on the supposed validity of the stated sources.”

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/

And so forth. BBC also had a decent article on "forced labor," which they couldn't prove and even noted the people were paid considerably well - as if labor isn't forced under capitalism lol.

I've read the narratives from "individuals," about which you can't really find much. Like that one woman that was living in some country now, Azerbaijan was it? Who said she witnessed no violence at the place she was, then a year later started talking about rape of women and whatnot. Also "organ harvesting" is interesting for various reasons.

In general, given who's pushing it, including American politicians, media, what studies and narratives it's based on, and the larger purpose of it, along with American stance re: Hong Kong, those who organized protests being funded by a neo-con regime-change org, etc, it's hard to believe there's much truth to it. I certainly don't find it convincing, it's what US has been doing for decades, whether it's Iraq wmds, Golf of Tonkin incident, Nayirah testimony, McCollum memo, "Russian bounties," Syrian chemical attacks, etc.

Further, as Darren Beattie noted, the enemy isn't really China but the western ruling class, the last thing that's needed is to fall for their narratives and aid them.

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Telia 1 point ago +1 / -0

hmmm. Seeing your opinions posted about china, the west, hk, uyghurs, capitalism, marxism (apparently fine with you if not woke).

Ahhh i get it you are a CCP wumao

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lTentacleMonsterl 0 points ago +1 / -1

marxism (apparently fine with you if not woke)

Anyone who's opposed to the system is definitely fine with me.

Ahhh i get it you are a CCP wumao

Just about the type of intelligent retort I'd expect from rw libs.

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realerfunction 1 point ago +2 / -1

western imperialism is good.

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lTentacleMonsterl 1 point ago +2 / -1

Sure, take an one way trip to Libya and get a master, I'm sure you'll fetch them a few hundreds $ at the slave markets Obama caused. Go on, off you go.

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realerfunction 1 point ago +1 / -0

oh, are we allowed to talk about the arab slave trade today?

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lTentacleMonsterl 0 points ago +1 / -1

Only on mondays, and if your master permits. Did you ask them?

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realerfunction 1 point ago +1 / -0

go prep the bull.

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ernsithe 1 point ago +1 / -0

The entire purpose of "human rights"

I thought it was to make conditions just livable enough that the flow of migrants died down?