It's just a variant of the hillbilly/Southern dialect
Did you know the distance between the heart of the Appalachian mountains and most of the South is 500+ miles? Not a strong opening on your knowledge on the topic.
Note that the PC crowd never defends the hillbilly accent, and they often mock it as people being uneducated and stupid
I'm aware, because I have a thick Cajun accent. I was bullied quite heavily by my more "progressive" classmates after I moved because they assumed all sorts of evils because of the way I talk.
They also make the same mistake you keep doing of calling Hillbillies and Southerners interchangable.
But even in my area of the dirty south we were forced to learn to know how to speak and write the agreed upon "standard English" of our education system, and then had our casual relaxed speech for when we weren't in professional environments.
The point is that people are raised with different dialects
Yeah and most of us get dunked on for it, have it forcefully removed from us by the government (Cajun French was nearly eradicated by forceful government measures), and don't get to just cry victim when it gets us judged.
That's the issue people have. AAVE gets special protections and elevated as something sacred that we must not make fun of. Shit it got renamed to make it sound more academic over Ebonics.
I am not sure what this means.
Those two states are famous for having incredibly heavy accents. Unlike AAVE , they still meet most basic English rules so they aren't considered very special (that's why they don't have a special name). Because AAVE is infamous for exactly how wrong it is, we had to make a special name for it.
Did you know the distance between the heart of the Appalachian mountains and most of the South is 500+ miles? Not a strong opening on your knowledge on the topic.
To me, they sound the same.
But even in my area of the dirty south we were forced to learn to know how to speak and write the agreed upon "standard English" of our education system, and then had our casual relaxed speech for when we weren't in professional environments.
And that's the way it should be. What do you think I'm arguing for? Not that Ebonics is perfectly fine and that it should be taught in schools. Only that it is no less valid as a dialect than Standard English.
That's the issue people have. AAVE gets special protections and elevated as something sacred that we must not make fun of. Shit it got renamed to make it sound more academic over Ebonics.
And that is also true. I think I noted that there is a hypocrisy between how the left regards mocking the accents of blacks and Southerners - even though they are rather similar. If you mock blacks with 'dindu', that is racism, but if you mock Southerners, then you're a comedic genius.
Unlike AAVE , they still meet most basic English rules so they aren't considered very special (that's why they don't have a special name). Because AAVE is infamous for exactly how wrong it is, we had to make a special name for it.
I'm pretty sure "AAVE" also meets most basic English rules. Similarly, in places like Philly they say 'yous'.
But note that my point is not about AAVE. It's only that you cannot say that the version of the language spoken in political centers as the 'correct' version and others as 'wrong'. I regard that as elitist and wrong. That doesn't mean that children should not be taught the 'prestige dialect' as it is called for they future.
Then your complete ignorance on the topic should let you know that you should probably attempt to learn more first. I'm not gonna go speaking about whatever European place you live in's geographical politics.
Only that it is no less valid as a dialect than Standard English.
Its invalid as it is not complimentary with Standard English. If someone can speak both, it would be nothing. But AAVE exists as an actual term because of the push to have it become its own category of English instead of a subcategory. Most it is spoken by are not taught to speak anything but and it is completely failing them both as education and tools of success.
If Ebonics was just a way people spoke casually in places, no one would care. Renaming it AAVE makes it an official higher academic pedestal and in that way it is lesser because it barely even has its own consistent rules.
You keep using the two names for it interchangeably, which is why you are failing to get the point of it moving from one name to another changed its position and how we should treat it.
Then your complete ignorance on the topic should let you kn0ow that you should probably attempt to learn more first. I'm not gonna go speaking about whatever European place you live in's geographical politics.
I think I know enough. Whether or not Appalachian and Southern sounds different is of no relevance to my argument.
But AAVE exists as an actual term because of the push to have it become its own category of English instead of a subcategory.
If it is its own category, that is all the more evidence that people need to be able to speak standard English. No one is going to hire you if you only speak Ebonics and talk about "looting dey store". Nice that these PC morons wreck the futures of poor black kids, who through no fault of their own grow up in families speaking Ebonics, just so they can virtue-signal about how 'anti-racist' they are.
because it barely even has its own consistent rules.
As far as I know (gulp), it does have its consistent rules. For example, they have fused the nominative and the possessive case for 'they'.
You keep using the two names for it interchangeably, which is why you are failing to get the point of it moving from one name to another changed its position and how we should treat it.
Whether it is a dialect, or a subgroup of English, makes no difference to me. Either way, people need to be able to speak Standard English, so people can understand them and for their own future.
I know these PC retards may use the fact that it's a perfectly valid dialect as an excuse to say: "well, then they don't need to learn Standard English", and obviously I'm against that.
Whether or not Appalachian and Southern sounds different is of no relevance to my argument.
Then you probably shouldn't have made bold claims of "its just a variant of this" if its completely irrelevant to your argument and easily provably wrong by anyone with any knowledge. It makes your position look weaker regardless.
if you only speak Ebonics
You are doing it again where you call it Ebonics, and not AAVE. Ebonics is the variant way of speaking they developed. AAVE is the official, academically named version which is named such to push it as a substitute for standard English.
As far as I know (gulp), it does have its consistent rules.
If you stretch it very far. You can sit on BlackPeopleTwitter and watch it evolve in real time to new forms, that you will actually see outside the internet in short order. If it can change this fast then the "rules" are not actually established, and are more commonly repeated mistakes (which don't just become rules because they are common, "ain't" took decades to reach that).
Which again, isn't a problem for Ebonics type dialects. But it is a problem for something official like AAVE.
Either way, people need to be able to speak Standard English, so people can understand them and for their own future.
I think the reason people were arguing with you in the first place was because you came across as saying the opposite of this. Because I agree completely and I think most here would too.
Did you know the distance between the heart of the Appalachian mountains and most of the South is 500+ miles? Not a strong opening on your knowledge on the topic.
I'm aware, because I have a thick Cajun accent. I was bullied quite heavily by my more "progressive" classmates after I moved because they assumed all sorts of evils because of the way I talk.
They also make the same mistake you keep doing of calling Hillbillies and Southerners interchangable.
But even in my area of the dirty south we were forced to learn to know how to speak and write the agreed upon "standard English" of our education system, and then had our casual relaxed speech for when we weren't in professional environments.
Yeah and most of us get dunked on for it, have it forcefully removed from us by the government (Cajun French was nearly eradicated by forceful government measures), and don't get to just cry victim when it gets us judged.
That's the issue people have. AAVE gets special protections and elevated as something sacred that we must not make fun of. Shit it got renamed to make it sound more academic over Ebonics.
Those two states are famous for having incredibly heavy accents. Unlike AAVE , they still meet most basic English rules so they aren't considered very special (that's why they don't have a special name). Because AAVE is infamous for exactly how wrong it is, we had to make a special name for it.
To me, they sound the same.
And that's the way it should be. What do you think I'm arguing for? Not that Ebonics is perfectly fine and that it should be taught in schools. Only that it is no less valid as a dialect than Standard English.
And that is also true. I think I noted that there is a hypocrisy between how the left regards mocking the accents of blacks and Southerners - even though they are rather similar. If you mock blacks with 'dindu', that is racism, but if you mock Southerners, then you're a comedic genius.
I'm pretty sure "AAVE" also meets most basic English rules. Similarly, in places like Philly they say 'yous'.
But note that my point is not about AAVE. It's only that you cannot say that the version of the language spoken in political centers as the 'correct' version and others as 'wrong'. I regard that as elitist and wrong. That doesn't mean that children should not be taught the 'prestige dialect' as it is called for they future.
Then your complete ignorance on the topic should let you know that you should probably attempt to learn more first. I'm not gonna go speaking about whatever European place you live in's geographical politics.
Its invalid as it is not complimentary with Standard English. If someone can speak both, it would be nothing. But AAVE exists as an actual term because of the push to have it become its own category of English instead of a subcategory. Most it is spoken by are not taught to speak anything but and it is completely failing them both as education and tools of success.
If Ebonics was just a way people spoke casually in places, no one would care. Renaming it AAVE makes it an official higher academic pedestal and in that way it is lesser because it barely even has its own consistent rules.
You keep using the two names for it interchangeably, which is why you are failing to get the point of it moving from one name to another changed its position and how we should treat it.
I think I know enough. Whether or not Appalachian and Southern sounds different is of no relevance to my argument.
If it is its own category, that is all the more evidence that people need to be able to speak standard English. No one is going to hire you if you only speak Ebonics and talk about "looting dey store". Nice that these PC morons wreck the futures of poor black kids, who through no fault of their own grow up in families speaking Ebonics, just so they can virtue-signal about how 'anti-racist' they are.
As far as I know (gulp), it does have its consistent rules. For example, they have fused the nominative and the possessive case for 'they'.
Whether it is a dialect, or a subgroup of English, makes no difference to me. Either way, people need to be able to speak Standard English, so people can understand them and for their own future.
I know these PC retards may use the fact that it's a perfectly valid dialect as an excuse to say: "well, then they don't need to learn Standard English", and obviously I'm against that.
Then you probably shouldn't have made bold claims of "its just a variant of this" if its completely irrelevant to your argument and easily provably wrong by anyone with any knowledge. It makes your position look weaker regardless.
You are doing it again where you call it Ebonics, and not AAVE. Ebonics is the variant way of speaking they developed. AAVE is the official, academically named version which is named such to push it as a substitute for standard English.
If you stretch it very far. You can sit on BlackPeopleTwitter and watch it evolve in real time to new forms, that you will actually see outside the internet in short order. If it can change this fast then the "rules" are not actually established, and are more commonly repeated mistakes (which don't just become rules because they are common, "ain't" took decades to reach that).
Which again, isn't a problem for Ebonics type dialects. But it is a problem for something official like AAVE.
I think the reason people were arguing with you in the first place was because you came across as saying the opposite of this. Because I agree completely and I think most here would too.