Actually promotes strong principled values as opposed to cultural relativism
Mandates that characters finding purpose in life & society as opposed to nihilism
Has taken and explicit stance against equality in order to promote diversity (which is just a devastating argument to most leftist narratives)
Has many male fans as opposed to promoting misandry
Is populated by female characters that can't rely on "I'm a woman" to get past any particular challenge as opposed to feminism.
Bronies were supposed to be a useful tool that damages gender norms, promotes degeneracy, and supports the feminization of men. The show doesn't really do any of those things, and so the Left just has to hope that bronies do it for themselves. Overall, they're not any less degenerate and effeminate than college frat boys wearing pastel colored polos.
It's easy to degrade bronies as horsefuckers, but if people took a second to understand why the horses are sexually appealing in the first place it makes a lot of sense.
First note that 90% of the characters are built on the same generic flash puppet. It is colored differently and hair and eyes and whatnot are interchanged like in a simple character creator. The designs are stylized and over simplified to a point where it's easy to project many details you want as a viewer onto them.
On the flipside the abstraction and stylization confuses feminists and others wishing to attack bronies as the cry of "Impossible beauty standards" the use against most animation just doesn't work here.
And from the creator's perspective as you pointed out, the stylization, the 90%+ female cast, and the very young target audience meant that they can't rely on physical characteristics, girl power, sex appeal, sexual traits, or any of that surface level bullshit to sell the character. Instead they went in and actually gave the characters, rich, distinct, flawed, and feminine personalities. They are a litlle bit clichéd on the surface, but the writers used those clichés as a starting point and actually built them out into well rounded characters.
And here we arrive at the crux of the issue, it's the same as with anime waifus. There are thousands of young men who are desperate to find something feminine to throw their affections onto and invest emotional attachment in, but all that current culture is offering them is Girl power feminists who don't need or appreciate them, and thots who will leave as soon as there is more reward to be had with another guy.
I'm not saying that good women don't exist, just that they aren't represented in culture as roll models or sex icons anymore. And then here we have a show that has to fill out an ensemble cast of characters to play role models to young girls, and in the process created 6 well rounded, likeable characters, with very different expressions of femininity, and dreams and interests and asperations that one can relate to.
Now imagine some sort of speed dating/ princess Kaguya thing, where you interview a bunch of girls from the other side of the screen, and pit female characters from different franchises against each other. In this situation I feel it could reasonably be expected that one of the ponies would come out on top against almost all other modern western media.
See how this is different from rating them as a character, plenty of excellent characters would be horrible people in real life.
Sure it's strange to seek a soulmate in fictional media, but once you get past that, is it really so strange to think that a pony might be closer to someone's ideal than anything that the modern leftist media is trying to sell. There's a reason this phenomenon occurs so readily with Anime and MLP, but is fairly rare elsewhere. (At least with men, I know there were weird superwholock, and twilight girls around that time, but I'm not going to attempt to explain or claim to understand the female perspective on this sort of thing.)
Bronies are just another subset of men that would readily settle down and start a family, if not for the incredible destruction that the internet, social media, and leftist thinking has wrought on gender relationships.
If you won't let men objectify women, they will womanify objects to suit their purposes instead.
Even pornographers have tended to notice that specific features do genuinely attract a, real, no shit, "male gaze". In animation and art, these features can be accentuated for story-telling and audience rapport purposes. The most commonly understood one is eyes that draw focus and express emotion. All humans are drawn to looking at eyes for communicative purposes. Both men, and women, can reference eyes for sexual desire as Jordan Peterson notes.
For these MLP characters, no seduction is present as it is in the Lion King, but the ability to emote through facial expressions (especially through the animators particular use of vector animation which generates very smooth movements) is very important for story telling purposes, because fluid facial movement is very good at conveying expression and emotional state.
Now, if you wanted to destroy MLP's ability to convey human emotion properly, the easiest way to do it would be to use actual horse pupills, which are horizonal ovals. In reality, it's excellent for enabling the horse to see behind itself without turning, and it gives it a nearly 180 degree cone of vision, which is absolutely stellar in the animal kingdom. But humans have no real capacity to read horizontal eyes for emotional information.
Now, as for the concept of the characters themselves, the characters are designed to be at least relatable characters with genuine personalities, though they are still stereotypes that can be used as a frame of reference for story telling purposes. Frankly, this is just basic bitch character development. The problem, as you pointed out is that the Left uses cultural mechanisms to either preach ideology (which allows for unrealistic portrayals: see Falcon-Winter Soldier), or preaches Mary Sue Power Fantasies (Captain Marvel). Neither of these are relatable characters to all but the most ideologically possessed individuals.
The more the Left harps on it's ideology and identitarianism, the less capable it is of telling genuine stories. When Feminism is pushing the concept of how women should be portrayed, men get repulsed. So, in MLP you have genuine and affable female characters promoting strong values, and low-and-behold, men are drawn to that more than being a degenerate slut, an angry bitch, or a Mary Sue.
If you won't let men objectify women, they will womanify objects to suit their purposes instead.
I absolutely agree. I don't remember where I've heard a version of this before, but that's precisely what's happening on a socio-cultural scale.
I think it was something more like: men don't want to objectify women, it's that the closest thing to women that men have are objects.
The point is that the destruction of women's femininity has actually damaged men along with women.
Yeah, I can't remember where I heard the line about objectification, but I can't take credit.
But it is definitely true that it is a deeply and instinctually meaningful thing for men to provide resources to and defend something, whether that's a woman, a tribe, or a country. Now in the age of feminism and globalisim, it's sexist to provide for a woman and racist to support your country in any but the most superficial way.
It really shouldn't be too surprising when men spend their time, money and affection on an anime or video game character, a pet, a car, a motorcycle, a boat, or any other number of things they are passionate about instead of chasing women.
I think it has something to do with the concept of an animus that Jung talks about. Effectively, the optimal thing for a man is to basically transform his female lover into his animus, which he then uses to drive himself forward. Part of the interesting feminine aspect of this relationship, is that women have to actually figure out if they could, or should, become a man's animus to drive him forward for her and their family.
Simping is effectively a way of a woman being a man's animus with zero actual responsibility to him, which is why it is an inherently abusive relationship.
It's purely about women feeling threatened. The culture they've created where everyone worships the ground they walk on is very fragile and even the slightest outlet can weaken it. Granted, there's no way the whole OnlyFans cult will switch to simping for ponies with poorly drawn on breasts, but that concept of having an outlet for their desire to be liked/appreciated that isn't women is a great fear.
And you are being reductive to push reality into an easy pre-defined narrative that doesn't require you to think too hard about the things you're saying.
Feminism was pushed forward by both women and men, and when you look at early Feminism, by men who kept putting pussy on a pedestal. Ideologues do not speak for the people they claim to advocate for.
So it's just a coincidence that as their grip on things tightens, those things become less controversial? Who talks about video games causing violence since feminists took over the industry?
There isn't a single outlet for men's time and money that they haven't made absurd levels of conspiracies to attack. Everything from cars (climate change), to games (causes shootings) , to even self-improvement (gyms are full of fascists)
No, I meant what I said. I don't see entertainment pushing the glory of Communism, even entertainment backed by the CCP. An example of an industry completely gone to leftists is education.
What I see, is a constant dehumanization of men narrative that is meant to break us once and for all into compliant slaves eagerly dumping our meagre salaries into their coffers.
As the resident unapologetic Brony, I must say that it's nice to be back in the new again. The schism that developed between the usual loony Leftists and everyone else in the community was a strange happening, and in my view, further exemplifies how the show had such a large appeal across a wide variety of ideologies, despite the ultimate split they suffered when certain sacred cows were challenged.
The most famous of these is the "Communism is Bad" episode, which set the season's villain, and was the first really big split the community had over the lessons being taught, as opposed to simply disliking larger show decisions such as turning the main character Twilight Sparkle into a pseudo-immortal Alicorn goddess. It's not as Mary-Sue as it might sound, I assure you.
It was a fun show, and it gave us lots of fan art, music, fanfictions, and plain old simple greentexts that let us imagine a world where we could find a place we belonged and be loved in spite of our very human flaws. Something a great many men at the time, and many more since, have realized was stolen from them before they ever even had the opportunity to work towards it.
I like the Tomboy Pony a lot, but the Book Nerd Pony is my favorite by just a bit.
Women now feel threatened by cartoon ponies. They believe that drawings of woman-looking ponies are considered superior to their wallet-draining, empathy-less...let's leave it there before I get R16'd again.
That's the crux of all of this. Any time something threatens their supply of abuse victims to milk for all they're worth then discard, they link it to something the average person finds appalling.
Anime > pedos
Games > violence - until they started to have control of the kind of narratives used in games.
Comics > nerds - until they got positions in the industry and created utter feminist cack for every character. Ironheart anyone?
Bronies > sad losers - but that didn't work, because they didn't care. They didn't mind being called losers.
In the end of the day, they aren't actually linking these things with violence. They just feel threatened by them and need a narrative that supports their desired conclusion. As for why women want bronies to go after them...I guess they'd be pretty easy to manipulate if their only experience of female traits is through a sanitized cartoon made for 5 year old girls.
Yes, they're a cute couple, yes, they're mostly sensible, yes, they're not crazy Leftists. BUT:
They always re-broadcast the enemies' propaganda.
Look at that God-damned thumbnail. LOOK. AT. IT. (As Just Some Guy would say.) It presents the intersectional Marxists' claim that MLP fans are hate-filled KKKluxers AS A FACT.
I know they think they are foregrounding the craziness, but really they are only strengthening it.
If someone posts a graphic of "alt-right adjacents" showing Jordan Peterson's or Dave Rubin's heads next to Richard Spencer, then Kneon and Geeky Sparkles will put that image on the screen for 20 minutes, letting that image burn itself into their viewers' retinas while babbling over it.
If someone calls someone else racist, then they will sit there for 20 minutes, babbling, "OMG! MOTHER THERESA's not RACIST! MOTHER THERESA's not RACIST! MOTHER THERESA's not RACIST!" over and over again, until all their viewers hear, "MOTHER THERESA! RACIST! MOTHER THERESA! RACIST! MOTHER THERESA! RACIST!"
Both of these create links in viewer's minds.
But their most favorite trick ever, whenever someone links them to "conservative" or "far right" circles, is to shout at length, "OMG HOW COULD YOU THINK I'M CONSERVATIVE OMG THAT'S DISGUSTING OMG I COULD NEVER BE CONSERVATIVE!"
Imagine if a Leftie accused CTV of being black: "OMG HOW COULD YOU THINK I'M BLACK OMG THAT'S DISGUSTING OMG I COULD NEVER BE BLACK!" See the problem?
#Now, here's the funny bit.
Clownfish TV constantly complain about SJW sites linking them to the alt-right.
To which my response is, Why wouldn't they?! Whenever SJWs trash CTV, CTV instantly rebroadcasts their memes, repeats their talking points, and denounces conservatives . Why would even dumb Commies look at that and not think, "Hey, it's free real estate!"?
CTV feed their trolls, so they get more trolls. (To be fair, a lot of even outright Republican websites do this. We don't call them the Stupid Party for nothing.) Rhetorical skills are not just offensive, to break down your opponent's arguments. They are also defensive, like InfoSec for speakers and ideas. A few simple rhetorical devices to stop CTV's leaking of evil propaganda:
STOP denouncing conservatives and right wingers. If some SJW "accuses" you of being "alt-right adjacent" or something, jujitsu their accusation back on them. Say, "So-and-so accuses me of being alt-right for not [whatever ludicrous BS they're pushing]. I voted for Obama. I didn't realize Obama voters are alt-right." Push the Commies' crap back on them.
STOP repeating their talking points. Do some research: if Big Tata Nehisi Coates' compared Jordan Peterson to the Red Skull, chances are this isn't the first time he was this stupid. Look up his other dumb Tweets and post those. Bonus points for tweets so stupid he had to delete them. This implies his current stupidity is also destined for the trash. And don't forget the power of trashing them with their equally dumb and vicious fellow travelers.
STOP rebroadcasting Leftie memes. Yes, you want to show the original picture to document the Leftie's crazed accusations. Fine. Show it for about ten seconds, but then replace that image with one that exposes the Leftie's framing in an unflattering light. Find an unflattering picture of the offender, or draw a meme-raging caricature of them, between (say) Mother Theresa and Richard Spencer, pointing to them, with the word bubble "THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" and leave that up for twenty minutes. (Feel free to label your drawing with the writer's or website's name/logo, you don't win points for technical skill.)
If they stop feeding the trolls, most of the trolls will go away.
Why tied to hate?
This is because MLP-FIM:
Bronies were supposed to be a useful tool that damages gender norms, promotes degeneracy, and supports the feminization of men. The show doesn't really do any of those things, and so the Left just has to hope that bronies do it for themselves. Overall, they're not any less degenerate and effeminate than college frat boys wearing pastel colored polos.
It's easy to degrade bronies as horsefuckers, but if people took a second to understand why the horses are sexually appealing in the first place it makes a lot of sense.
First note that 90% of the characters are built on the same generic flash puppet. It is colored differently and hair and eyes and whatnot are interchanged like in a simple character creator. The designs are stylized and over simplified to a point where it's easy to project many details you want as a viewer onto them.
On the flipside the abstraction and stylization confuses feminists and others wishing to attack bronies as the cry of "Impossible beauty standards" the use against most animation just doesn't work here.
And from the creator's perspective as you pointed out, the stylization, the 90%+ female cast, and the very young target audience meant that they can't rely on physical characteristics, girl power, sex appeal, sexual traits, or any of that surface level bullshit to sell the character. Instead they went in and actually gave the characters, rich, distinct, flawed, and feminine personalities. They are a litlle bit clichéd on the surface, but the writers used those clichés as a starting point and actually built them out into well rounded characters.
And here we arrive at the crux of the issue, it's the same as with anime waifus. There are thousands of young men who are desperate to find something feminine to throw their affections onto and invest emotional attachment in, but all that current culture is offering them is Girl power feminists who don't need or appreciate them, and thots who will leave as soon as there is more reward to be had with another guy.
I'm not saying that good women don't exist, just that they aren't represented in culture as roll models or sex icons anymore. And then here we have a show that has to fill out an ensemble cast of characters to play role models to young girls, and in the process created 6 well rounded, likeable characters, with very different expressions of femininity, and dreams and interests and asperations that one can relate to.
Now imagine some sort of speed dating/ princess Kaguya thing, where you interview a bunch of girls from the other side of the screen, and pit female characters from different franchises against each other. In this situation I feel it could reasonably be expected that one of the ponies would come out on top against almost all other modern western media.
See how this is different from rating them as a character, plenty of excellent characters would be horrible people in real life.
Sure it's strange to seek a soulmate in fictional media, but once you get past that, is it really so strange to think that a pony might be closer to someone's ideal than anything that the modern leftist media is trying to sell. There's a reason this phenomenon occurs so readily with Anime and MLP, but is fairly rare elsewhere. (At least with men, I know there were weird superwholock, and twilight girls around that time, but I'm not going to attempt to explain or claim to understand the female perspective on this sort of thing.)
Bronies are just another subset of men that would readily settle down and start a family, if not for the incredible destruction that the internet, social media, and leftist thinking has wrought on gender relationships.
If you won't let men objectify women, they will womanify objects to suit their purposes instead.
Oh, you're actually talking about the concept of anthrophomorphized characters given human traits and personalities.
To be honest, that should be obvious to anyone.
Animators and artists know precisely what they are doing with the concept of developing any anthrophomorphized character in an aesthetically alluring way. That doesn't mean that Tex Avery here wants you to fuck gazelles and reptiles. In fact, it shows the opposite: you want to fuck traditionally attractive human females. ... but you knew what you were doing, animators...
Even pornographers have tended to notice that specific features do genuinely attract a, real, no shit, "male gaze". In animation and art, these features can be accentuated for story-telling and audience rapport purposes. The most commonly understood one is eyes that draw focus and express emotion. All humans are drawn to looking at eyes for communicative purposes. Both men, and women, can reference eyes for sexual desire as Jordan Peterson notes.
For these MLP characters, no seduction is present as it is in the Lion King, but the ability to emote through facial expressions (especially through the animators particular use of vector animation which generates very smooth movements) is very important for story telling purposes, because fluid facial movement is very good at conveying expression and emotional state.
Now, if you wanted to destroy MLP's ability to convey human emotion properly, the easiest way to do it would be to use actual horse pupills, which are horizonal ovals. In reality, it's excellent for enabling the horse to see behind itself without turning, and it gives it a nearly 180 degree cone of vision, which is absolutely stellar in the animal kingdom. But humans have no real capacity to read horizontal eyes for emotional information.
Now, as for the concept of the characters themselves, the characters are designed to be at least relatable characters with genuine personalities, though they are still stereotypes that can be used as a frame of reference for story telling purposes. Frankly, this is just basic bitch character development. The problem, as you pointed out is that the Left uses cultural mechanisms to either preach ideology (which allows for unrealistic portrayals: see Falcon-Winter Soldier), or preaches Mary Sue Power Fantasies (Captain Marvel). Neither of these are relatable characters to all but the most ideologically possessed individuals.
The more the Left harps on it's ideology and identitarianism, the less capable it is of telling genuine stories. When Feminism is pushing the concept of how women should be portrayed, men get repulsed. So, in MLP you have genuine and affable female characters promoting strong values, and low-and-behold, men are drawn to that more than being a degenerate slut, an angry bitch, or a Mary Sue.
I absolutely agree. I don't remember where I've heard a version of this before, but that's precisely what's happening on a socio-cultural scale.
I think it was something more like: men don't want to objectify women, it's that the closest thing to women that men have are objects.
The point is that the destruction of women's femininity has actually damaged men along with women.
Yeah, I can't remember where I heard the line about objectification, but I can't take credit.
But it is definitely true that it is a deeply and instinctually meaningful thing for men to provide resources to and defend something, whether that's a woman, a tribe, or a country. Now in the age of feminism and globalisim, it's sexist to provide for a woman and racist to support your country in any but the most superficial way.
It really shouldn't be too surprising when men spend their time, money and affection on an anime or video game character, a pet, a car, a motorcycle, a boat, or any other number of things they are passionate about instead of chasing women.
Seems healthier to me than simping, in any case.
I think it has something to do with the concept of an animus that Jung talks about. Effectively, the optimal thing for a man is to basically transform his female lover into his animus, which he then uses to drive himself forward. Part of the interesting feminine aspect of this relationship, is that women have to actually figure out if they could, or should, become a man's animus to drive him forward for her and their family.
Simping is effectively a way of a woman being a man's animus with zero actual responsibility to him, which is why it is an inherently abusive relationship.
You're way over-thinking it.
It's not about culture or anything like that.
It's purely about women feeling threatened. The culture they've created where everyone worships the ground they walk on is very fragile and even the slightest outlet can weaken it. Granted, there's no way the whole OnlyFans cult will switch to simping for ponies with poorly drawn on breasts, but that concept of having an outlet for their desire to be liked/appreciated that isn't women is a great fear.
And you are being reductive to push reality into an easy pre-defined narrative that doesn't require you to think too hard about the things you're saying.
Feminism was pushed forward by both women and men, and when you look at early Feminism, by men who kept putting pussy on a pedestal. Ideologues do not speak for the people they claim to advocate for.
That's... that's not how the show works, guy.
So it's just a coincidence that as their grip on things tightens, those things become less controversial? Who talks about video games causing violence since feminists took over the industry?
There isn't a single outlet for men's time and money that they haven't made absurd levels of conspiracies to attack. Everything from cars (climate change), to games (causes shootings) , to even self-improvement (gyms are full of fascists)
That is how bronies work though.
You mean Leftists control over industries.
No, I meant what I said. I don't see entertainment pushing the glory of Communism, even entertainment backed by the CCP. An example of an industry completely gone to leftists is education.
What I see, is a constant dehumanization of men narrative that is meant to break us once and for all into compliant slaves eagerly dumping our meagre salaries into their coffers.
You sure about that, dawg? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffhIc9zkpNM
Wasn't MLP their thing?
It was until they realized there was a large adult male fandom of the show.
Falun Gong was the CCP's thing once too.
As the resident unapologetic Brony, I must say that it's nice to be back in the new again. The schism that developed between the usual loony Leftists and everyone else in the community was a strange happening, and in my view, further exemplifies how the show had such a large appeal across a wide variety of ideologies, despite the ultimate split they suffered when certain sacred cows were challenged.
The most famous of these is the "Communism is Bad" episode, which set the season's villain, and was the first really big split the community had over the lessons being taught, as opposed to simply disliking larger show decisions such as turning the main character Twilight Sparkle into a pseudo-immortal Alicorn goddess. It's not as Mary-Sue as it might sound, I assure you.
It was a fun show, and it gave us lots of fan art, music, fanfictions, and plain old simple greentexts that let us imagine a world where we could find a place we belonged and be loved in spite of our very human flaws. Something a great many men at the time, and many more since, have realized was stolen from them before they ever even had the opportunity to work towards it.
I like the Tomboy Pony a lot, but the Book Nerd Pony is my favorite by just a bit.
Women now feel threatened by cartoon ponies. They believe that drawings of woman-looking ponies are considered superior to their wallet-draining, empathy-less...let's leave it there before I get R16'd again.
That's the crux of all of this. Any time something threatens their supply of abuse victims to milk for all they're worth then discard, they link it to something the average person finds appalling.
Anime > pedos
Games > violence - until they started to have control of the kind of narratives used in games.
Comics > nerds - until they got positions in the industry and created utter feminist cack for every character. Ironheart anyone?
Bronies > sad losers - but that didn't work, because they didn't care. They didn't mind being called losers.
In the end of the day, they aren't actually linking these things with violence. They just feel threatened by them and need a narrative that supports their desired conclusion. As for why women want bronies to go after them...I guess they'd be pretty easy to manipulate if their only experience of female traits is through a sanitized cartoon made for 5 year old girls.
Clownfish TV are dumbasses.
Yes, they're a cute couple, yes, they're mostly sensible, yes, they're not crazy Leftists. BUT:
They always re-broadcast the enemies' propaganda.
Look at that God-damned thumbnail. LOOK. AT. IT. (As Just Some Guy would say.) It presents the intersectional Marxists' claim that MLP fans are hate-filled KKKluxers AS A FACT.
I know they think they are foregrounding the craziness, but really they are only strengthening it.
If someone posts a graphic of "alt-right adjacents" showing Jordan Peterson's or Dave Rubin's heads next to Richard Spencer, then Kneon and Geeky Sparkles will put that image on the screen for 20 minutes, letting that image burn itself into their viewers' retinas while babbling over it.
If someone calls someone else racist, then they will sit there for 20 minutes, babbling, "OMG! MOTHER THERESA's not RACIST! MOTHER THERESA's not RACIST! MOTHER THERESA's not RACIST!" over and over again, until all their viewers hear, "MOTHER THERESA! RACIST! MOTHER THERESA! RACIST! MOTHER THERESA! RACIST!"
Both of these create links in viewer's minds.
But their most favorite trick ever, whenever someone links them to "conservative" or "far right" circles, is to shout at length, "OMG HOW COULD YOU THINK I'M CONSERVATIVE OMG THAT'S DISGUSTING OMG I COULD NEVER BE CONSERVATIVE!"
Imagine if a Leftie accused CTV of being black: "OMG HOW COULD YOU THINK I'M BLACK OMG THAT'S DISGUSTING OMG I COULD NEVER BE BLACK!" See the problem?
#Now, here's the funny bit.
Clownfish TV constantly complain about SJW sites linking them to the alt-right.
To which my response is, Why wouldn't they?! Whenever SJWs trash CTV, CTV instantly rebroadcasts their memes, repeats their talking points, and denounces conservatives . Why would even dumb Commies look at that and not think, "Hey, it's free real estate!"?
CTV feed their trolls, so they get more trolls. (To be fair, a lot of even outright Republican websites do this. We don't call them the Stupid Party for nothing.) Rhetorical skills are not just offensive, to break down your opponent's arguments. They are also defensive, like InfoSec for speakers and ideas. A few simple rhetorical devices to stop CTV's leaking of evil propaganda:
If they stop feeding the trolls, most of the trolls will go away.