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Been awhile since this discussion, but I wanted to circle around back to this, since I'd forgotten something possibly relevant:
Do you think the Russian rape of East Germany could explain this difference? Not fully, of course, but at least partially? I mean, we can see this sort of divergence just during the rationing during the war in Britain, though not as stark. Environment of course plays a role, but the persistence after liberation and normalization would speak to genetic factors, and there were genetics introduced to E Germany that wasn't really seen in the Allied controlled partitions.
As to the dogs, they would generally be considered a different breed at that point, and each group would likely retain much of the epigenetic behavioral tendencies without the abusive/passive environmental stimuli, as long as you kept their breeding separate.
Curious, would you happen to know the name of the experiment? Sounds like interesting reading, and I'm just coming up with the 2 headed dog thing.
Honestly, no. Think about the fact that we're talking about effectively 1, maybe 2, generations. There's just no way to have that kind of an effect without everyone fucking their cousin. If a retard and a Mensa person fuck, their offspring isn't going to average, it could be all over the place though. Not to mention, you do have to consider the possibility of infanticide among unwanted mothers, the abandonment of children, and the likelihood that the more children will die under harsh conditions.
You know what does have that kind of an effect though? Starve the Children in early childhood development. Congratulations, guess what Communism is fucking excellent at?
It's up for debate how much someone can do to increase their peak IQ during their life time (your IQ raises as you age up to a certain point and then decreases). It's not up for debate at what can stunt it: malnutrition and violence. Guaranteed.
There's recognition at this point within genetics that genetics are effected by environment almost as much as genetics can dictate your behavior in an environment. They clearly influence each other, but some things that are environmental just have biological consequences. Communism (which fosters malnutrition, low intellectual stimulis, paranoia, damaging coping mechanism like vodka), I argue, will still cause biological consequences. Similarly, removing the driving force for that environment will allow a recovery period.
Yeah, I had to go looking for it. I think I found it though, it was the Dmitry Belyayev's Silver Fox experiment.
The timeline in this website is pretty good
I maintain my argument here that Authoritarianism, maybe Fabian Socialism explicitly, is effectively an effort to breed tameness into people.
Well, no. We're talking about a fairly divergent evolutionary path coming back together. Enough that we're not just talking about epigenetic divergence, but likely genetic mutation. Russians and Slavs are and always have been around an SD lower than Western Europeans.
Thanks for pointing out that it was the fox expirments, though. apparently, it's about to fucking crash, so all the behavioral enhancement towards domestication are about to be lost. pretty sad.
We're really not talking about a fairly divergent evolutionary path. We're talking about an evolutionary path about as distinct Drummord's Pink Phlox compared to Emrald Pink Phlox (yes I've been gardening), and maybe even less than that. What are they eating, where do they live, how do you survive? The genetic differences, like with the foxes are minuscule.
While physical difference are unimportant, they do speak to underlying differences. Do you believe asian eyes are simply an epigenetic difference, that change with a flip of the "genetic switch" of dominant vs recessive?
I don't, even though downey's do look a bit asian.