I've always thought that starting a family would be inevitable because that's what happened with my parents and their parents etc. But given current events (and honestly events that happened before my mom popped me out), trying to start a normal family free from the leftists' tentacles is near impossible. It seems that the only way to start (and maintain) a nuclear family right now in the US is to:
- Play along with leftist propaganda and play to the whims of your lefty wife else she takes more than the kids.
- Become a tradcuck, convert to christianity, move to the rural part of a red state. And both options still leave you vulnerable to the state courts if she wants to divorce for any reason.
Personally, I still want to entertain the idea of a wife and kids. Maybe it's just human nature that I am in denial and MGTOW is the way to go for generations to come. It also doesn't help that I'm currently stuck in Commiefornia where lockdowns are still a thing and everyone I know drank the Democratic kool-aid. So my irl options are limited. I also don't want to use online dating as pretty sure 99% that I am going to match someone who will be a lefty believer. I'm curious what this sub thinks on this topic as it seems that there is mix of MGTOWs and those who are married and have kids.
There are plenty and millions of just regular people around who think this wokeness is utter bullshit, both men and women.
Marriage and family are things plenty of people want, it just makes sense. I think one of the biggest problems is not wokeness, but a fear of commitment; seeing marriage as something that can be temporary and undone by a writ of court. If you go into a marriage without absolute belief that you can and will honor your promises forever, you shouldn't marry the person under consideration.
Stand by your word, honor your promises, don't marry anyone who isn't someone you want to go into a lifelong business partnership because a business it is.
I've been married for 35 years. Divorce was never an option because I gave my word when I got married and kept my promise. Ditto spouse. That's how it's done.
I've got news for you. The world changed while you were away.
Exactly - I hate when people give advice when they've been out of the dating scene this long.
We never went on a single date together. I really can't remember being on a date after I left high school. Dating is a shitty way to know people.
So you're offering advice to people while having absolutely no relevant experience on which to draw.
You're arguing semantics.