Jordan Peterson - Canadian Moderate (so, Left of Center in America)
Ben Shapiro - Establishment Religious Conservative.
Dave Rubin - Libertarian
Dave Rubin is about as anti-Establishment right-wing as they go. I don't see them as any sort of 'containment' or anything, but you have to understand what they are. It's like trying to accuse Jimmy Dore or Glenn Greenwald of being 'containment'. No, he's just a leftist.
Rubin I could see aligning with the right; he's already has Eric Weinstein "terrified" over how "far right" he is. Since he's not a degenerate the right would probably look past his being gay.
The lefties on the list talked a good game but ultimately couldn't defect against their side when it counted, even if doing so was better aligned with their stated principles. That distinguishes them from people like Sargon or Tim Pool, who were able to go against their "team" because they recognized it no longer represented their values.
Since he's not a degenerate the right would probably look past his being gay.
Good because moral authoritarianism is a way to guarantee burning every gain that the right has made in the past 4 years.
That distinguishes them from people like Sargon or Tim Pool, who were able to go against their "team" because they recognized it no longer represented their values.
These are still ideologically distinct peoples. There's no question that Sam Harris is going to stand with the Left because he's a globalist. Eric, Bret, and Joe would probably just stand back. Ben would go unwillingly along with Trump, and Dave would probably just be the only actual Trump fan. Their values don't all align.
These people are definitely not who I would want with me If I was in a foxhole.
Oh, lord, no. Obviously. You typically don't want the pundit or intellectual class anywhere near you in a foxhole. Of all the typical pundits you want on your side in a foxhole, your best bet is probably Count Dankula. After that maybe some of the gun channel guys.
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Okay, here's my pundit fire team: Alex Jones, Count Dankula, IraqVeteran8888, Louis LaVaou (I can't spell that french name). I'd say Jocko Willinc, but you don't put that man on your team, he chooses to accompany you out of the kindness of his heart.
I think what he's saying is that the leftist establishment is painting these figures as "far-right extremists" when in fact none of them are either of those things. It's being used as a technique whereby people who want to understand right-wing beliefs will be attracted to these people who in reality hold progressive viewpoints and will thereby believe that the overton window is in fact very far to the left of where it really is.
I understand that, but that's my point. You can't expect anyone on that list, except for basically Dave Rubin, to take a properly right wing position that is outside of where the Overton Window was 30 years ago. Only some people on that list are prepared to take Michael Malice, Tom Woods, Paul Joseph Watson, or Milo Yiannopoulos seriously. Fuck, Eric Weinstein basically tried to fight James O'Keefe to the dismay of his own audience. These people are not built to be 'containment' or anything, but you can't expect them to be anything you might call 'rightists'.
Well, let's be reasonable here:
Dave Rubin is about as anti-Establishment right-wing as they go. I don't see them as any sort of 'containment' or anything, but you have to understand what they are. It's like trying to accuse Jimmy Dore or Glenn Greenwald of being 'containment'. No, he's just a leftist.
Rubin I could see aligning with the right; he's already has Eric Weinstein "terrified" over how "far right" he is. Since he's not a degenerate the right would probably look past his being gay.
The lefties on the list talked a good game but ultimately couldn't defect against their side when it counted, even if doing so was better aligned with their stated principles. That distinguishes them from people like Sargon or Tim Pool, who were able to go against their "team" because they recognized it no longer represented their values.
Good because moral authoritarianism is a way to guarantee burning every gain that the right has made in the past 4 years.
These are still ideologically distinct peoples. There's no question that Sam Harris is going to stand with the Left because he's a globalist. Eric, Bret, and Joe would probably just stand back. Ben would go unwillingly along with Trump, and Dave would probably just be the only actual Trump fan. Their values don't all align.
Well for the record, I personally don't really like or trust any of the figures you listed for a multitude of reasons.
These people are merely against sjwism. They are generally not against the terrible leftist or neocon policies that I am against.
As someone who is a America first populist, some of these people are only good to convert some squishy normies from sjwism.
These people are definitely not who I would want with me If I was in a foxhole.
After being in academia for years, I can see grifters pretty easily.
Brett Weinstein, Eric Weinstein, Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro are the ones that I truly despise.
Oh, lord, no. Obviously. You typically don't want the pundit or intellectual class anywhere near you in a foxhole. Of all the typical pundits you want on your side in a foxhole, your best bet is probably Count Dankula. After that maybe some of the gun channel guys.
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Okay, here's my pundit fire team: Alex Jones, Count Dankula, IraqVeteran8888, Louis LaVaou (I can't spell that french name). I'd say Jocko Willinc, but you don't put that man on your team, he chooses to accompany you out of the kindness of his heart.
I don't think that's what he's saying.
I think what he's saying is that the leftist establishment is painting these figures as "far-right extremists" when in fact none of them are either of those things. It's being used as a technique whereby people who want to understand right-wing beliefs will be attracted to these people who in reality hold progressive viewpoints and will thereby believe that the overton window is in fact very far to the left of where it really is.
I understand that, but that's my point. You can't expect anyone on that list, except for basically Dave Rubin, to take a properly right wing position that is outside of where the Overton Window was 30 years ago. Only some people on that list are prepared to take Michael Malice, Tom Woods, Paul Joseph Watson, or Milo Yiannopoulos seriously. Fuck, Eric Weinstein basically tried to fight James O'Keefe to the dismay of his own audience. These people are not built to be 'containment' or anything, but you can't expect them to be anything you might call 'rightists'.