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Friendly reminder that the founders of Ben & Jerry ice cream are Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield
posted 4 years ago by BlazeHeatnix832 4 years ago by BlazeHeatnix832 +78 / -10

Recently got a temp ban from KiA2 for very mildly acknowledging this fact. Just testing the waters here.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Jews are 9/10 leftists

It's about 7.5/10 for Jews, as opposed to 4/10 for the whole US population.

7.5/10 is also about the average lean to the right for christian denominations considered 'evangelical', so if we want to call evangelicals 'religious fundamentalists', which I personally would, we can consider Jews to be as strong in their bias as religious fundamentalists are - but you will almost never hear of any Jewish group referred to as 'fundamentalist', 'radical' or 'extremist' and 'Jewish' at the same time.

Jewish fundamentalism is sanctioned and normalized.

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– Knife-TotingRat 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Re: That "chosen people" thing. Now, here's something I came across years ago in all my readings, and since it's time to sit back and synthesize all that junk, I'll throw these thoughts out here:

It seems that back in the days when the ancient Hebrews were still following goats around, each and every tribe or band had its own primary god (no matter how many gods you generally believed in, which for most people, would have been any they heard of.) This god would be tended to first in prayers and offerings, before the other ones, and was thought to have a special relationship with that "chosen" group (either it adopted them, or chose to create/give birth to them or whatever.)

In this context, the idea of a "universal god" is kind of nonsense. It's also why the Ark of the Covenant has a seat for YHWH to sit upon, and why one might sing about not being able to sing their god's song in a strange land ... the people, the territory they claimed, and their god were all intertwined. To be run off your land was to be possibly cut off from your god, and I think this just reflects how people might be forced to convert if captured, or have to find refuge in another tribe's territory (they might require you to convert - remember, gods are part of the land at this point.)

Anyway, so of course the Hebrews were the "chosen ones" of their god, but so was everyone else a "chosen one" of their god, and these super-ancient people would have understood that.

So then the Hebrews claim territory, change their name to Jews (I'm realizing I'm not clear on when or why this happened), and some Romans invade their land; resistance happens, a resistance leader dies, and up comes Saul of Tarsis to make YHWH into a universal god by selling Jesus as a demi-god to the Greco-Romans (to whom no one was anyone unless they had a god for a parent.) So now that "chosen one" thing becomes a supremacist thing, but we're not supposed to look at it that way. But if we do, we see that we are being asked to worship a god that is not ours, if we're not Hebrew/Jewish, unless one wants to think that a tribal god just up and decided to Team Rocket every other god's human pokemon ...)

I'd pour a lot of stink-eye on that "St Paul" character. Along with pushy sun-worshipers, who seem to have been the worst jackbooty monotheists of the whole pagan bunch ...

Yes, I'm partially being facetious, BUT, I do like to dig at the roots of things, and the deeper they go, the more fun it is.

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– deleted 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0
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– Knife-TotingRat 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

And SJWism looks like a glorification of the Human on a scale not seen since the Renaissance, and reeks of species-level Hubris.

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– when_we_win_remember 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

It's about 7.5/10 for Jews, as opposed to 4/10 for the whole US population.

I guess that's a pretty silent minority. I never hear a Jew say "My Jewish faith informs me that marriage is between a man and a woman" or "As a Jew, I support your right to say what you want, even though I may disagree". Whereas the other side, you know

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I never hear a Jew say "My Jewish faith informs me that marriage is between a man and a woman"

I don't hear Muslims saying that either in the West. That is probably because they don't think that in a country where they are small minorities, their particularist religious views will carry the day.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I never hear a Jew say "My Jewish faith informs me that marriage is between a man and a woman"

Devout Jews are pretty quiet in general. How often do you see a Jew preaching on a street? How often do you encounter a Jew asking you to join their religion? Unless you're fucking his daughter, it's never gonna happen.

...But if you try to ban circumcision, then you will hear from them.

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– when_we_win_remember 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Right so they don't convert. My point was, I do hear the opposite. We have to let in 3rd world immigrants. We have to ban "hate" speech. Gay marriage, too. All because supposedly their Jewish faith informs them. I guess I can go searching for examples, but I thought this was pretty common knowledge. And yeah, I know about the Orthodox. I'm not trying to deny their existence. I'm pointing out where the mainstream of the political orthodoxy lies.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

7.5/10 is also about the average lean to the right for christian denominations considered 'evangelical', so if we want to call evangelicals 'religious fundamentalists', which I personally would, we can consider Jews to be as strong in their bias as religious fundamentalists are - but you will almost never hear of any Jewish group referred to as 'fundamentalist', 'radical' or 'extremist' and 'Jewish' at the same time.

That is cause their views have nothing to do with Judaism. Those ethnic Jews who have Judaism as their religion instead of Social Justice are overwhelmingly right-wing.

You can compare Reform Jews to Unitarians or the United Church of FloydChrist. It's run by cultists who are wearing the skin of Judaism and Christianity respectively.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

That is cause their views have nothing to do with Judaism.

I suppose this accurate in terms of the 'fundamentalism' argument, but their views to have 'nothing' to with radical leftism is impossible. We wouldn't see Jews massively over-represented among SJW's if there weren't something about the religion/culture - even in its secularized, largely non-practicing form - that pushed them toward it.

Something about being a non-practicing Jew drives people toward radical leftism.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I suppose this accurate in terms of the 'fundamentalism' argument, but their views to have 'nothing' to with radical leftism is impossible.

I specifically said that their views have nothing to do with Judaism, because they're as orthodox in their religiosity as the average Unitarian or UCC-member. Basically, Social Justice with Jewish trappings is their religion. Which is why my argument is that this has nothing to do with Judaism, just like UCC and Unitarianism today has nothing to do with Christianity.

If Social Justice was caused by Judaism, then you would expect the people who are most committed to the Jewish religion to be the most SJW. The opposite is the case. Orthodox Jews are generally very anti-SJW, and they are faithful Jews, while Reform Jews who are about as Jewish as I am but with fondness to mutilate little kids, are the most SJW. So there is an inverse correlation, which to me suggests that Social Justice and Judaism are actually incompatible.

We wouldn't see Jews massively over-represented among SJW's if there weren't something about the religion/culture - even in its secularized, largely non-practicing form

I think there is something in their culture. Namely because of what happened to them, an oversensitivity to 'racism' - which is why they side with black identitarian movements as supposedly fighting for justice, when black activists actually hate the Jews.

Something about being a non-practicing Jew drives people toward radical leftism.

I think so as well, though there are also many differences between Jews and non-Jews that account for part of the difference.

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– deleted 0 points 4 years ago +1 / -1

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