Nope. Didn't say nigger, either. Or niggerfaggot. I didn't even call anyone a kike. And I damned sure didn't direct it at a user. Arbitrary enforcement of "rules" that didn't actually exist was part of the problem with reddit. You've really internalized that shit.
You know what, you're right. You didn't violate that rule. I'm sorry.
You've really internalized that shit.
Honestly, it's hard to shift between one and the other because I did internalize Reddit rules in order to understand it. I can't not be a retard when I have to be a retard to understand how to be a good retard.
You're generally pretty reasonable. That probably would have went better if I'd remembered that initially, and I can sympathize with your schizophrenic mod duties. No need to apologize, but I appreciate it.
On a side note, why don't you just make a rule against antisemitism here? I know you and AoV both despise it more than other forms of identitarianism. It would piss off a lot of the current community, since you wouldn't have the benefit of a doubt that having the reddit admins hovering over you has given you, but you guys both seem to want to grow the community without those viewpoints driving off lukewarm moderates.
There is a need to apologize for incorrect enforcement regardless.
On a side note, why don't you just make a rule against antisemitism here? I know you and AoV both despise it more than other forms of identitarianism.
So, neither of us actually do. I'm not gonna try to speak for AoV more than that, because that shit ain't my place. As for me, I'm utterly opposed to racialism, but antisemitism and anti-blackness are popular forms of racism on the right. Anti-whiteness has become so institutionally acceptable on the Left at this point that it's probably the thing I'm going to get fired for fighting against it IRL. The issue isn't that there's anything particularly unique about antisemitism, it's just that it happens to be the one that the racialist right explicitly agitates for in the same way that the racialist left does, which means it really grinds on people and relies on a lot of surreptitious arguments.
Now look, I probably wouldn't give a fuck if normies had more of a god damned spine, but... they're like Free Speech virgins. There's a reason men as they get older don't want to fuck young virginal women. There's too much hand holding involved.
"But what if it hurts!" "What if I don't like it!" "I'm not sure if I'm comfortable!"
Meanwhile I got some stormfag trying to groom the normies by 'hiding their power-level' into enjoying antisemetic face-fucking. Please don't face-fuck the virgins.
I don't have a problem with face-fucking degeneracy. It's the grooming that I have a problem with. Like an LGBT Summer camp. The problem is the grooming. Not the boating, not the camping, not the song & dance.
The normies, literally all of them, are going to have to learn how to stand up to unapproved viewpoints without running away. But that includes not scaring them away. None of us are ever going to have a free society until the normies can stand up for their own viewpoints, and deal with opposing viewpoints, and resist grooming by socialists.
Now, this is why you should have strong borders. People would have to invest something into this effort... but that diminishes growth (particularly on something as irrelevant as an internet forum)... which diminishes impact. Sure, 4chan has a border (much in the same way Poal does) by having users hit an ideological wall that attacks their sensitivity. But that limits immigration, and there's our real trade off. The alt-right/alt-left will isolate themselves to the point of death because they want affirmation and grooming. Trolls and activists could turn this place into a battlefield (like they did with he r-WalkAway sub a few years ago) and drive normies away with conflict. But what's worse is that the normies are too weak and cowardly to just depart with that sensitivity on their own because they've already been groomed by corporations.
So, it seems like I need to approach this whole set up with a weird balancing act that can slowly let people learn how to have moral courage and ideological integrity through speech; while not driving off normies, intellectuals, or influencers with edginess. Consider that, as big as 4chan is, who advertises on the forum? If we are to build parallel institutions, we'll need people to show of their work.
I think our Reddit sub was actually making good progress since it seemed like we had a wide enough overton window for the sub as a whole, that each post could have it's own overton window by having it's own unique audiance. It indicated that multiple social networks were operating on the sub. It's evidence that we weren't an echo-chamber (which is quite a feat since that's what Reddit is designed to do automatically). That's where we kinda gotta get back to.
You didn't say faggot...
Nope. Didn't say nigger, either. Or niggerfaggot. I didn't even call anyone a kike. And I damned sure didn't direct it at a user. Arbitrary enforcement of "rules" that didn't actually exist was part of the problem with reddit. You've really internalized that shit.
You know what, you're right. You didn't violate that rule. I'm sorry.
Honestly, it's hard to shift between one and the other because I did internalize Reddit rules in order to understand it. I can't not be a retard when I have to be a retard to understand how to be a good retard.
You're generally pretty reasonable. That probably would have went better if I'd remembered that initially, and I can sympathize with your schizophrenic mod duties. No need to apologize, but I appreciate it.
On a side note, why don't you just make a rule against antisemitism here? I know you and AoV both despise it more than other forms of identitarianism. It would piss off a lot of the current community, since you wouldn't have the benefit of a doubt that having the reddit admins hovering over you has given you, but you guys both seem to want to grow the community without those viewpoints driving off lukewarm moderates.
There is a need to apologize for incorrect enforcement regardless.
So, neither of us actually do. I'm not gonna try to speak for AoV more than that, because that shit ain't my place. As for me, I'm utterly opposed to racialism, but antisemitism and anti-blackness are popular forms of racism on the right. Anti-whiteness has become so institutionally acceptable on the Left at this point that it's probably the thing I'm going to get fired for fighting against it IRL. The issue isn't that there's anything particularly unique about antisemitism, it's just that it happens to be the one that the racialist right explicitly agitates for in the same way that the racialist left does, which means it really grinds on people and relies on a lot of surreptitious arguments.
Now look, I probably wouldn't give a fuck if normies had more of a god damned spine, but... they're like Free Speech virgins. There's a reason men as they get older don't want to fuck young virginal women. There's too much hand holding involved.
"But what if it hurts!" "What if I don't like it!" "I'm not sure if I'm comfortable!"
Meanwhile I got some stormfag trying to groom the normies by 'hiding their power-level' into enjoying antisemetic face-fucking. Please don't face-fuck the virgins.
I don't have a problem with face-fucking degeneracy. It's the grooming that I have a problem with. Like an LGBT Summer camp. The problem is the grooming. Not the boating, not the camping, not the song & dance.
The normies, literally all of them, are going to have to learn how to stand up to unapproved viewpoints without running away. But that includes not scaring them away. None of us are ever going to have a free society until the normies can stand up for their own viewpoints, and deal with opposing viewpoints, and resist grooming by socialists.
Now, this is why you should have strong borders. People would have to invest something into this effort... but that diminishes growth (particularly on something as irrelevant as an internet forum)... which diminishes impact. Sure, 4chan has a border (much in the same way Poal does) by having users hit an ideological wall that attacks their sensitivity. But that limits immigration, and there's our real trade off. The alt-right/alt-left will isolate themselves to the point of death because they want affirmation and grooming. Trolls and activists could turn this place into a battlefield (like they did with he r-WalkAway sub a few years ago) and drive normies away with conflict. But what's worse is that the normies are too weak and cowardly to just depart with that sensitivity on their own because they've already been groomed by corporations.
So, it seems like I need to approach this whole set up with a weird balancing act that can slowly let people learn how to have moral courage and ideological integrity through speech; while not driving off normies, intellectuals, or influencers with edginess. Consider that, as big as 4chan is, who advertises on the forum? If we are to build parallel institutions, we'll need people to show of their work.
I think our Reddit sub was actually making good progress since it seemed like we had a wide enough overton window for the sub as a whole, that each post could have it's own overton window by having it's own unique audiance. It indicated that multiple social networks were operating on the sub. It's evidence that we weren't an echo-chamber (which is quite a feat since that's what Reddit is designed to do automatically). That's where we kinda gotta get back to.