What even is the first instance of the juice? Who encountered them first, for realsies? Egyptians? Did the Greeks know them? The pelopenisias? Which people's?
I know the Roman's killed Jesus and burned the temple down and all that.. A lot of history in this regard is quite murky to me
The romans didn't kill Jesus. Jews did. Thats very clear.
Jews is just the word we use currently to describe them. They are a much older ancient enemy.
They are a species from the eastern uralic area, pushed out by the ancient scythian(aryan) horse tribes for their child sacrifice and cannibalism practices. They fled through the black sea landing in the Levant. They have had many names.
Phoenician. Carthaginian. Hyksos. Khazarian. Jew.
They worship moloch, the lord(ba'al means lord in their tongue, like we call jesus).
They believe that child sacrifice and mutilation brings them power. They are NOT Semitic and they are NOT Israelite.
I have heard the hyksos before. I remember reading through an article about the hittites too? Something about how the jews stole all the gold on their way to exodus.
So you're saying they were in the urals before biblical times? I was always under the impression the khazarian stuff came after. Phoenician and carthaginian is new to me.
Have you any reading material to bsck this sort of lineage up? I know it's basically impossible to find a one stop source since they obfuscate everything...
The hittites were in turkey above the biblical exodus. As far as interactions between jews and hittites i am unaware. Possibly.
Yes they were in the urals before biblical times. The khazarians WERE after. This will take some explaining:
In the 500ads, the jews betrayed the byzantine empire(their rulers) by opening the gates from the inside to let their enemy in(one of the bacteria empires i can't remember off top of my head). They murdered everyone in the town and celebrated. Byzantium beat the enemy, took it back punished the jews but let them live and said if they didnt behave rhey would kill them all. Then a few years later THEY DID IT AGAIN. Byzantium beat the enemy, took the town back, but DIDNT KILL THE JEWS(stupidest move ever always kill them) and exiled them instead. The only place that wasn't part of byzantium was north of the Caucasus. So they went north and settled into khazaria.
The khazarians were a pastoral semi nomadic steppe people. Shamanistic basic place. The jews did what THEY ALWAYS DO ACROSS TIME AND SPACE - they were the "friendly neighborhood merchant just here to help" and set up as traders and "integrated". 100 years later khazaria was ruled by an ethnically separate foreign ruling class who "decided" to follow Judaism and began doing WHAT JEWS ALWAYS DO ACROSS ALL SPACE AND TIME - they implemented predatory trade practices, extorting and starving areas through trade until they could control them and harming the nations who relied on those trade routes with their tarrifs and taxes and usury. The peasant class indigenous khazarians became quite wealthy, and did what peasants always do - they began emulating their rulers i.e. adopted their practices and religion. They keep this up until the Kievan Rus had had ENOUGH and wiped them out. The diaspora fled west - the ethnically distinct ruling class embedded themselves into the great noble houses of europe they had networking with through trade while the peasant class settled in the sparsely populated area known now as the Rhineland(mostly), down into venetia, and as far as Spain.
Those elites in the noble houses used their places as "advisors" and merchants and bankers to manipulate political movements, while maintaining their real loyalty to each other. They have continued to so so till this day. The Rhineland khazarian indigenous peasants are known now as the ashkenazi.
I only have one point to contribute: Cicero mentions in his writings that they had too much power in the Rome of his own time. He was thus also an 'anti-semite' observing the same things that contemporary 'anti-semites' do, 2,000 years removed.
I wonder what he would have to say about their vastly increased authority, influence, power, wealth, etc. in today's world? Not long after Cicero's time, the Romans slaughtered many rebellious yids, during the reigns of Vespasian and his son, Titus. This is something which is practically inconceivable in today's world, in which the yid has become nigh-omnipotent and beyond even the mildest of public criticism—unless you're willing to sacrifice at the very least both your career and bank accounts—and is himself the one doing plenty of killing in Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria.
From what I understand, a lot of Romans found them straight up peculiar, and their dogmatic views and senseless contrarian stubbornness frequently came into direct conflict with what the Romans expected from anyone under the empire's control.
And a lot of those expectations weren't especially harsh, and the Romans even made allowances for Jews to get certain exceptions. Yet even so, they were frequently at the forefront of fairly senseless and violent rebellions against Rome in spite of the wide berth of allowances granted to them.
And this is more-so in line with mainstream historians, but it's something that still stood out as rather curious.
There's a whole bunch of information to unpack, most of which is vague (At best), from around that time but it's clear that the Jews were connected to Egypt, Mesopotamia and Sumerian way back in the day.
Lots of early Greek philosophers studied Jewish monotheism, mathematics and concepts of ethics which drifted into the Roman culture via various schools of thought which eventually became the bible via Hebrew, then Greek and finally Latin before eventually being translated to English and other European languages (Shout out to localisation problems!).
The concept of the Torah always being a complete unaltered work has been challenged by many scholars over the years and some think is the basis for why the Quran sticks to its original unaltered form as any additions or retractions are political in nature and diminish the word of the divine.
So, either ask and expect a reasonable answer here or spend a decade or two trying to make sense of it and see if you can come up with an answer :)
I'm more than willing to do the decade or two trying to make sense of it.
Im pretty well versed in all the literature regarding the 20th century. Beyond that it's murky. Prior to the middle ages I don't know anything other than the Bible really.
It's why I asked for reading material. I'll do the work and come to my own conclusions. I just need guidance. Books authors, collections,.. Anything with footnotes and references, anything beyond someone on the internet telling me what's what.
I hear you but remember before the Internet there was the printing press and publishers and those running them are always careful about what gets out and what doesn't.
So pretty much anything available in book form has to be scrutinised heavily because there will be bias in what is trying to be highlighted. So it gets grim and people on the Internet are just as trustworthy (Or the opposite) as anything you can actually touch with your own hands.
Archelogy, anthropology and economics seem to be good indicators across the different eras and don't contain opinion often because evidence and speculation upon it is all there is. Whatever the opinion of Jewish people is at any given moment in history you can state that they are resilient people and highly adaptive and yet insular wherever they go.
The archives of Alexandria being burned down are a good starting point if the Romans and their opinion of everything which came before them as a civilisation is your interest. Istanbul and the Silk Road also make for reasonable areas which contain more about what was established and fully operating before being snipped from history.
Pick a starting point and then extrapolate from there because it is a vast tapestry and there are no concrete answers. If biblical studies are your thing then Sumerian history and how that expanded into Europe and India might give you some background as to how important Judaism has been to what we consider to be culture.
But it's a lot and the Romans, while incredible important, only left us their history to take as THE history to go from.