I actually think immigration and population growth can be a positive sum game. But it's not the case now, because we have runaway cost of living. More people could in theory bring the cost of living down, but there are too many government imposed Barrier to make that possible.
But it's not without tradeoffs, suburbs would need to become denser for example, or we would need to find a way to actually spring up new cities and space people out instead of cramming them all into one. And Americans don't need to make such a trade off if they don't want to. And seems like they don't want to.
And society would make a lot of positive changes if there wasn't the assumption we would have lots of people and cheap labor. Automating the shitty jobs is a real good thing, so people can do something better.
Immigration has been found to be useful at times when and only when it’s an extreme minority of the present population. Otherwise 3 things happen: non-immigrant birth rate tanks, average wages plummet, and assimilation never occurs and the present population actually has to assimilate to the immigrants.
That birth rate drop is from the soft “immigration” they did when they doubled the workforce by shoving women into jobs. The US did the same thing while also importing millions of people, the wage stagnation as a result is insane. For example an entry level engineer made 42k in 1990, today they make 70k. Upgrade right? Except if you adjust for inflation that $42k salary in 1990 is $102k today. So the average engineer is getting paid less than half the difference of an equal salary in 1990.
Yeah inflation also slowly rots away people's income who aren't really noticing. Though, not a ton you can do about it while it happens other than seek a better job
I actually think immigration and population growth can be a positive sum game. But it's not the case now, because we have runaway cost of living. More people could in theory bring the cost of living down, but there are too many government imposed Barrier to make that possible.
But it's not without tradeoffs, suburbs would need to become denser for example, or we would need to find a way to actually spring up new cities and space people out instead of cramming them all into one. And Americans don't need to make such a trade off if they don't want to. And seems like they don't want to.
And society would make a lot of positive changes if there wasn't the assumption we would have lots of people and cheap labor. Automating the shitty jobs is a real good thing, so people can do something better.
Immigration has been found to be useful at times when and only when it’s an extreme minority of the present population. Otherwise 3 things happen: non-immigrant birth rate tanks, average wages plummet, and assimilation never occurs and the present population actually has to assimilate to the immigrants.
Indeed, Seems to be what is happening now.
Though the birth rate does drop in places with low or near zero immigration too. Notabley Korea and Japan.
But I don't doubt it is having an effect in USA, since it's affecting cost of living negatively
That birth rate drop is from the soft “immigration” they did when they doubled the workforce by shoving women into jobs. The US did the same thing while also importing millions of people, the wage stagnation as a result is insane. For example an entry level engineer made 42k in 1990, today they make 70k. Upgrade right? Except if you adjust for inflation that $42k salary in 1990 is $102k today. So the average engineer is getting paid less than half the difference of an equal salary in 1990.
Yeah inflation also slowly rots away people's income who aren't really noticing. Though, not a ton you can do about it while it happens other than seek a better job
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