It's fascinating and baffling how people accept retconning.
Like people will watch the original star wars and go "wow this scene has so much more meaning when you realize -insert something that happened in the prequels here-
No, that's a complete misunderstanding of how time works and shows an inability to think critically. This is one of the reasons why I hate every prequel.
The only prequel I like is Temple of Doom and that's because the only reason you'd even know it's a prequel is if you paid close attention to the date or read about it.
Better Call Saul does the same thing with Breaking Bad where people go "this scene really hits different knowing X from Better Call Saul".
Its like, no you moron, a retcon later that doesn't count. People treat fiction like whatever anybody does is canon, when I've always said the viewer determines canon and the viewers head canon is the only canon when it comes to fiction, not some top down dictation.
To me the only canon Star Wars is the OT without the retarded changes and some expanded universe stuff like Shadows of the Empire or thawn trilogy.
But it seems most people need top down dictation of canon like "well George Lucas says" or "Well those are now part of legends and are no longer canon"
Its like, no you moron, a retcon later that doesn't count. People treat fiction like whatever anybody does is canon, when I've always said the viewer determines canon and the viewers head canon is the only canon when it comes to fiction, not some top down dictation.
Couldn't agree more. So many fans have a 'quantity is quality' approach to lore and story, where the more irrelevant details you can cram in and tangentially link after the original telling, the better. The amount of times in game or cinema I see discussions along the lines of 'wow, this scene really takes on a different significance when you consider [random remember-berry from offshoot work made years later by different people]'... it drives me nuts.
I decide what's canon. If I choose to ignore an entire season of a show or the entire climax of a story, because it's trash and doesn't live up to the quality of what went before, that's up to me. The characters and world don't exist. What's most interesting in evaluating fiction is considering all the elements in light of their greatest potential for inspiration, not treating characters and stories as literally real by trying to remember all the tortured bullshit that franchise-milkers tack onto them.
It's fascinating and baffling how people accept retconning.
Like people will watch the original star wars and go "wow this scene has so much more meaning when you realize -insert something that happened in the prequels here-
No, that's a complete misunderstanding of how time works and shows an inability to think critically. This is one of the reasons why I hate every prequel.
The only prequel I like is Temple of Doom and that's because the only reason you'd even know it's a prequel is if you paid close attention to the date or read about it.
Better Call Saul does the same thing with Breaking Bad where people go "this scene really hits different knowing X from Better Call Saul".
Its like, no you moron, a retcon later that doesn't count. People treat fiction like whatever anybody does is canon, when I've always said the viewer determines canon and the viewers head canon is the only canon when it comes to fiction, not some top down dictation.
To me the only canon Star Wars is the OT without the retarded changes and some expanded universe stuff like Shadows of the Empire or thawn trilogy.
But it seems most people need top down dictation of canon like "well George Lucas says" or "Well those are now part of legends and are no longer canon"
Couldn't agree more. So many fans have a 'quantity is quality' approach to lore and story, where the more irrelevant details you can cram in and tangentially link after the original telling, the better. The amount of times in game or cinema I see discussions along the lines of 'wow, this scene really takes on a different significance when you consider [random remember-berry from offshoot work made years later by different people]'... it drives me nuts.
I decide what's canon. If I choose to ignore an entire season of a show or the entire climax of a story, because it's trash and doesn't live up to the quality of what went before, that's up to me. The characters and world don't exist. What's most interesting in evaluating fiction is considering all the elements in light of their greatest potential for inspiration, not treating characters and stories as literally real by trying to remember all the tortured bullshit that franchise-milkers tack onto them.
Bingo, you explained what I was trying to get across more precisely and eloquently than I did.